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uk.telecom.broadband (UK broadband) (uk.telecom.broadband) Discussion of broadband services, technology and equipment as provided in the UK. Discussions of specific services based on ADSL, cable modems or other broadband technology are also on-topic. Advertising is not allowed. |
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![]() Pete Jones wrote: we need sales people to sell it http://www.yourteambuilder.com YourTeamBuilder has been developed by YourTeamBuilder.com on behalf of Tiscali Network Independent Business Associates as an optional internet contacting tool to support Tiscali IBAs build their business. Sole responsibility for YourTeamBuilder including billing, technical issues and ongoing support rests with YourTeamBuilder.com, and any questions or queries relating to the YourTeamBuilder system, should be directed to . |
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![]() Half speed broadband for not half price? Why bother when I can get full speed no minimum contract broadband for just 25 quid a month that has saved me over £4,000.00 on my gas mobile and electricity bill, not to mention chopping 80% off my BT bill and a freephone number for a couple of quid each month! John "Pete Jones" wrote in message ... we need sales people to sell it http://www.happy.yourteambuilder.com |
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![]() On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:30:14 -0000, "a2z" wrote: full speed no minimum contract broadband for just 25 quid a month that has saved me over £4,000.00 on my gas mobile and electricity bill, not to mention chopping 80% off my BT bill and a freephone number for a couple of quid each month! I guess if you've saved 4,000 pounds you won't mind paying for the 0800 but there are others with no standing charges. As for lower speed ADSL there are some for whom the speed isn't so important as ability to stay online for checking e-mail etc, and stil use the phone. Not everyone's needs are identical, so some may be happy to pay that bit less. Peter. |
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![]() In article , Martin² wrote: I have just discovered that PlusNet is actually re-selling Tiscali's 150k service ! Would be OK as it is £1 cheaper, BUT the connection fee is whopping £70.50 as opposed to Tiscali's £25 and that includes a modem ! I think the modem supplied with these "all inclusive" accounts is usually a USB mode. Some people may prefer to buy their own, so they can easily use several computers. Or they may have already bought one. I can see why PlusNet want to have cheaper 'DSL connect' service, but the connection pricing is uncompetitive. Not necessarily. In the long term, it's the running costs that make the difference. The startup cost only really affects the first year, which in reality will be the first of many. You pays your money and you takes your choice. Rod. |
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![]() "Martin²" wrote in message ... I have just discovered that PlusNet is actually re-selling Tiscali's 150k service ! Why? seems really silly considering they have their own network. Would be OK as it is £1 cheaper, BUT the connection fee is whopping £70.50 as opposed to Tiscali's £25 and that includes a modem ! Hmm who wouldn't pay 18.99 or whatever it is for plusnet (or £21.99 for the full service) giving the full 512k and all the other good features of plusnet. I can see why PlusNet want to have cheaper 'DSL connect' service, but the connection pricing is uncompetitive. Indeed, I would have thought that they could have used their own network, on the other hand I doubt very much that there are any considerable savings for the ISP in offering a lower speed product than 512 anyway as the same setup, hardware, services, billing, support etc is needed. Sam Regards, Martin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Sent from \\STN1 on HOMENET1 by user Sam Albrow 'Administrator'. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 12/12/2003 |
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![]() "Sam Albrow" wrote in message ... "Martin²" wrote in message ... I have just discovered that PlusNet is actually re-selling Tiscali's 150k service ! Why? seems really silly considering they have their own network. They are reselling Tiscali's wholesale _Datastream_ service for this service not IPstream which is certainly what my ADSL from them is. Tiscali's B2B service provides the backend networks to about 500 brand as a mix of other ISPs (such as plusnet) and VISPs fully provided by them. Would be OK as it is £1 cheaper, BUT the connection fee is whopping £70.50 as opposed to Tiscali's £25 and that includes a modem ! But I wouldn't use Tiscali to readily as my ISP... as a company the don't have an exactly wonderful reputation for customer care and I had experiance of them as a dialup provider (briefly) Hmm who wouldn't pay 18.99 or whatever it is for plusnet (or £21.99 for the full service) giving the full 512k and all the other good features of plusnet. Well I would be tempted to do a cease and reprovide if it is going to save me £84 per year as I really couldn't give a damn about having a 512k service, what is more important to me is the fact that it is always on, all I do is surf the web and download emails and text newsgroup traffic. I intend to let them get it well bedded down, make sure Tiscali's network is reliable etc before I consider it further and also see how pricing and regrading pans out. I can see why PlusNet want to have cheaper 'DSL connect' service, but the connection pricing is uncompetitive. Indeed, I would have thought that they could have used their own network, on the other hand I doubt very much that there are any considerable savings for the ISP in offering a lower speed product than 512 anyway as the same setup, hardware, services, billing, support etc is needed. But their are possibly savings over providing a FRIACO service which is the market that this is targeted at primarily as the contention work on a real-time basis not a per call basis where you have to operate a much lower contention. The NTL 150k cable modem market has something like 500,000 users... this is obviously a market that cable user demand, up until recently wasn't available to BT customers, people want a low hassle, convenient service that they don't have to dial up to if they just wish to use the web and email it is perfectly fast enough. |
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![]() In article , Martin² wrote: In the long term, it's the running costs that make the difference. The startup cost only really affects the first year, which in reality will be the first of many. Yes, but in this case it would take your 45.5 months of £1 PlusNet savings before you are equal with Tiscali and that doesn't even consider the price of the modem ! Fair comment, but there are other factors too. What sort of modem are Tiscali giving away "free", for instance? Is it a proper router with firewall and the capability of expansion to several computers, or is it a USB device that only connects to one? Do they include the cost of firewall software that would be necessary in the absence of one in the modem? In my experience, if you buy something cheap that will only just do, you end up replacing it at some point with the better quality and more adaptable device you should have bought in the first place. "Buy it cheap, buy it twice". Also, once Tiscali have got you on their system, what are the possible upgrade paths to other services, should you require them, and what do they cost? A quick look at the relevant websites shows that Plusnet has four domestic broadband options, up to 1Mb bandwidth, while Tiscali has three options going up to 512kb, and they're all more expensive. The Tiscali website has a handy comparison chart showing the prices charged by some of their competitors, but I notice that Plusnet is not on it. Rod. |
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