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Old April 6th 04, 04:50 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Ian Bland
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Carl Gibb wrote:
Listen, before you post something like this, think more thoroughly
and read my comments below:

"Anton Gysen" wrote in
message ...
Out of sheer boredom, I am currently finding myself sitting in front
of my TV watching this BBC Webwise ******** on BBC2. It's so
inaccurate! Here are some examples:

1) "If you have broadband you are alerted of a new e-mail straight
away!" er......no.

You can be, just leave your mail program running and pop ever so
often. With ADSL it is possible whereas with dial-up it is costly as
you would have to dial in every minute.
So, saying "no" here is incorrect and therefore it is not a lie.


Sorry Carl, but since you're clearly nitpicking, I have to inform you that
you are incorrect. The statement made by the show was-

"If you have broadband you are alerted of a new email straight away".

This is not true. With an always-on broadband connection (and many are not
always on) you can check your email as often as you wish. Mine for instance
is set to check every 5 minutes. But that is *not* the same as being
alerted of email instantly. If your machine is set to check every half an
hour, you will wait up to half an hour to find that you have new mail.

The program's statement implies that with broadband your ISP will inform
you, instantly, that email has arrived; i.e. the email alert is "pushed" to
your machine. This does not happen. The fact that you can *ask* your ISP if
you have new email whenever you feel like it is not the same thing at all.

IOW, even if your mail program is constantly cycling around your email
accounts checking them, there will still be some small delay in receiving
the mail, and at no point will you be "alerted".

Ian


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Old April 6th 04, 04:53 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Richard Tobin
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Default BBC lies!

In article ,
Ian Bland wrote:

"If you have broadband you are alerted of a new email straight away".

This is not true. With an always-on broadband connection (and many are not
always on) you can check your email as often as you wish. Mine for instance
is set to check every 5 minutes. But that is *not* the same as being
alerted of email instantly.


If you have an always-on connection and arrange to receive your mail
by SMTP, you can be notified immediately.

Not many people do that of course.

-- Richard
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Old April 6th 04, 07:30 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Bob Eager
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Default BBC lies!

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:50:28 UTC, "Ian Bland"
wrote:

Sorry Carl, but since you're clearly nitpicking, I have to inform you that
you are incorrect. The statement made by the show was-

"If you have broadband you are alerted of a new email straight away".


Indeed. It should have been 'can be' rather than 'are'. If you have an
'always on' connection then it is possible to do this. Sloppy wording.

The program's statement implies that with broadband your ISP will inform
you, instantly, that email has arrived; i.e. the email alert is "pushed" to
your machine. This does not happen.


But it can. You are wearing POP3 blinkers. You can also received mail
via SMTP, in which case there is a direct connection made to YOUR
machine, from the sender (at least, it is possible). In which case you
can know at once. Your ISP will just route the connection.

Now, not all ISPs offer this facility, and not all of their customers
avail themselves of it..but it is a very definite option.

IOW, even if your mail program is constantly cycling around your email
accounts checking them, there will still be some small delay in receiving
the mail, and at no point will you be "alerted".


Yes...if you are using POP3. See above.

The inaccuracy is as I stated at the start of this message. No more than
that.

--
Bob Eager
begin by not using Outlook Express...
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Old April 6th 04, 08:10 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Ian Bland
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Default BBC lies!

Richard Tobin wrote:
In article ,
Ian Bland wrote:

"If you have broadband you are alerted of a new email straight away".

This is not true. With an always-on broadband connection (and many
are not always on) you can check your email as often as you wish.
Mine for instance is set to check every 5 minutes. But that is *not*
the same as being alerted of email instantly.


If you have an always-on connection and arrange to receive your mail
by SMTP, you can be notified immediately.

Not many people do that of course.

-- Richard


I doubt that a BBC how-to program was targetting people with the technical
know-how to run their own mailservers. Even if one graciously allows this as
an explanation, the phrase "you are" is clearly wrong. "You can be" would be
okay tho

By using "you are" the strong implication is that all broadband users are
alerted immediately to the arrival of new emails; i.e. that this is the
normal state of affairs (rather than an option available to, and used by, a
minority of skilled users). This isn't true.

Ah, the joys of nitpickery

Ian


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Old April 6th 04, 09:45 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Lurch
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:50:28 +0100, in uk.telecom.broadband "Ian Bland"
strung together this:

1) "If you have broadband you are alerted of a new e-mail straight
away!" er......no.

You can be, just leave your mail program running and pop ever so
often. With ADSL it is possible whereas with dial-up it is costly as
you would have to dial in every minute.
So, saying "no" here is incorrect and therefore it is not a lie.


Sorry Carl, but since you're clearly nitpicking, I have to inform you that
you are incorrect. The statement made by the show was-

"If you have broadband you are alerted of a new email straight away".

This is not true. With an always-on broadband connection (and many are not
always on) you can check your email as often as you wish. Mine for instance
is set to check every 5 minutes. But that is *not* the same as being
alerted of email instantly. If your machine is set to check every half an
hour, you will wait up to half an hour to find that you have new mail.

The program's statement implies that with broadband your ISP will inform
you, instantly, that email has arrived; i.e. the email alert is "pushed" to
your machine. This does not happen. The fact that you can *ask* your ISP if
you have new email whenever you feel like it is not the same thing at all.

IOW, even if your mail program is constantly cycling around your email
accounts checking them, there will still be some small delay in receiving
the mail, and at no point will you be "alerted".

Not even specific to broadband either, you can have the exact same
setup with a dial-up connection.
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.
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Old April 15th 04, 01:00 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Dr Teeth
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Default BBC lies!

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:10:20 +0100, "Ian Bland"
wrote:

Ah, the joys of nitpickery


And being 110% correct too!


Cheers,

Guy

** I may not be perfect, but I'm
** English, and that's the next best thing!
 




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