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UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !



 
 
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Old February 11th 05, 07:48 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !

UK slipping behind in broadband race, warns CMA

The Communication Management Association Conference 2005 kicked off
today with a call for the UK government to push forward broadband.

Unless broadband was pervasive, UK business could lose out,
particularly in terms of innovative services that would be developed in
Asia-Pacific, the CMA said.

CMA chairman Phil Sayer called for the DTI to take a lead to deliver
services to every home in the UK within two years.

But even if the CMA's broadband roll-out target is achieved, costs
could prove a barrier, preventing wider usage.

Sayer said CMA members had a number of concerns relating to broadband
uptake.

"People are worried about policing the costs of 2.5G and 3G data
services," he said, adding that users were also concerned about the
viability of telco providers.

Ewan Sutherland, executive director International Telecommunications
User Group, said Europe was falling behind the cutting-edge telco
services offered in Korea, Japan and China.

The main barrier to progress, according to Sutherland, was the nature
of European regulation and lack of competition.

"Mobile data costs are a nightmare," he said. "Vodafone in Australia,
for example, offers a flat broadband data tariff [no limit on usage] of
21 per month. You cannot get this rate from Vodafone anywhere else in
the world."

Sutherland warned that the lack of adoption among users would pose a
major threat to UK business looking to make the most from mobile and
broadband services.

"There are 11 million broadband lines in Korea," he said. "The logical
place to develop a new service is in Korea."


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and BT dragging their feet !

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Old February 12th 05, 12:28 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !

none wrote:

UK slipping behind in broadband race, warns CMA

The Communication Management Association Conference 2005 kicked off
today with a call for the UK government to push forward broadband.

Unless broadband was pervasive, UK business could lose out,
particularly in terms of innovative services that would be developed in
Asia-Pacific, the CMA said.


Too fscking late.
They will never catch up now.

You need 100Mbit services to each house at 30 quid a month for
past 2 years to catch up.

How is that gonna happen? By smoking crack?

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Old February 12th 05, 09:54 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Walter Hayward
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Default UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !

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none wrote:

UK slipping behind in broadband race, warns CMA

The Communication Management Association Conference 2005 kicked off
today with a call for the UK government to push forward broadband.

Unless broadband was pervasive, UK business could lose out,
particularly in terms of innovative services that would be developed in
Asia-Pacific, the CMA said.


Too fscking late.
They will never catch up now.

You need 100Mbit services to each house at 30 quid a month for
past 2 years to catch up.

How is that gonna happen? By smoking crack?

It's too late partly because the UK was FIRST in having a widespread
phone system.
Unfortunately, being based on copper "bits of string" it simply is not
economic to upgrade everything overnight. For example out exchange is
extremely old.... and will "never" be upgraded to even the "old" system
X which I believe is required before it can then be upgraded for ASDL.

I do find that smoking plenty of crack makes me believe that my dial
up.. (max of 33.6 on a 56k modem due to exchange) simply
flies............ or is it simply me who is flying high LOL




Wally Hayward


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Old February 12th 05, 11:03 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !

yeah its too ficking late , BT will ensure its kept to their advantage
as they stand to lose too much revenue .Do turkeys vote for xmas ?
asses neeed to be kicked before its too late ..BT asses

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Old February 12th 05, 11:22 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !

On 12 Feb 2005 03:03:53 -0800, [six-toes] said :-

yeah its too ficking late , BT will ensure its kept to their advantage
as they stand to lose too much revenue .Do turkeys vote for xmas ?
asses neeed to be kicked before its too late ..BT asses


Do you really believe that it's BT that's at fault here ?

The problem here is the UK Government - they will not let BT do hardly
anything without penalty saying "We must allow the 'competition' to
compete equally".

Who's going to pay for this complete new communications infrastructure
?
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Old February 12th 05, 02:28 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !

Thus spake Spin Dryer:
On 12 Feb 2005 03:03:53 -0800, [six-toes] said :-

yeah its too ficking late , BT will ensure its kept to their
advantage as they stand to lose too much revenue .Do turkeys vote
for xmas ? asses neeed to be kicked before its too late ..BT asses


Do you really believe that it's BT that's at fault here ?

The problem here is the UK Government - they will not let BT do hardly
anything without penalty saying "We must allow the 'competition' to
compete equally".

Who's going to pay for this complete new communications infrastructure
?


Quite! VOIP is a great idea until BT can't sustain a profit. Who then pays
for infrastructure? Mobile data prices will never match a wired network &
the laws of physics would kick in anyhow. I know BT is a favourite punch bag
but they, like most companies, are expected to make a profit for their
shareholders; as if a different incumbent wouldn't act the same. Punch them
into shape, not to death.

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Old February 12th 05, 05:05 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:22:03 +0000, Spin Dryer
wrote:

On 12 Feb 2005 03:03:53 -0800, [six-toes] said :-

yeah its too ficking late , BT will ensure its kept to their advantage
as they stand to lose too much revenue .Do turkeys vote for xmas ?
asses neeed to be kicked before its too late ..BT asses


Do you really believe that it's BT that's at fault here ?

The problem here is the UK Government - they will not let BT do hardly
anything without penalty saying "We must allow the 'competition' to
compete equally".

True, except Government "equally" means "only need cover the lucrative
locations and can ignore high cost areas" - also applicable to postal
services.

Who's going to pay for this complete new communications infrastructure
?


PeeGee
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Old February 12th 05, 06:53 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !

"Walter Hayward" wrote in message
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In article , 7
writes
none wrote:

UK slipping behind in broadband race, warns CMA

The Communication Management Association Conference 2005 kicked off
today with a call for the UK government to push forward broadband.

Unless broadband was pervasive, UK business could lose out,
particularly in terms of innovative services that would be developed in
Asia-Pacific, the CMA said.


Too fscking late.
They will never catch up now.

You need 100Mbit services to each house at 30 quid a month for
past 2 years to catch up.

How is that gonna happen? By smoking crack?

It's too late partly because the UK was FIRST in having a widespread
phone system.
Unfortunately, being based on copper "bits of string" it simply is not
economic to upgrade everything overnight.


In which case they should not have left everything till the last minute.
BT's first act after privatisation was to slash investment in new
infrastructure so as to appease their new masters in the City.

(kim)


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Old February 13th 05, 12:20 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !

kim wrote:

"Walter Hayward" wrote in message
...
In article , 7
writes
none wrote:

UK slipping behind in broadband race, warns CMA

The Communication Management Association Conference 2005 kicked off
today with a call for the UK government to push forward broadband.

Unless broadband was pervasive, UK business could lose out,
particularly in terms of innovative services that would be developed in
Asia-Pacific, the CMA said.

Too fscking late.
They will never catch up now.

You need 100Mbit services to each house at 30 quid a month for
past 2 years to catch up.

How is that gonna happen? By smoking crack?

It's too late partly because the UK was FIRST in having a widespread
phone system.
Unfortunately, being based on copper "bits of string" it simply is not
economic to upgrade everything overnight.


In which case they should not have left everything till the last minute.
BT's first act after privatisation was to slash investment in new
infrastructure so as to appease their new masters in the City.

(kim)


Oh if only you knew whats out there.
Sell me one exchage however remotely locatd,
and I'll rip out all the heathen crap they put in,
and then put in a million dollars worth of new equipment
and then put gold bars into the bank every month.

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Old February 13th 05, 12:33 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default UK FALLING BEHIND in Broadband race !

Spin Dryer wrote:

On 12 Feb 2005 03:03:53 -0800, [six-toes] said :-

yeah its too ficking late , BT will ensure its kept to their advantage
as they stand to lose too much revenue .Do turkeys vote for xmas ?
asses neeed to be kicked before its too late ..BT asses


Do you really believe that it's BT that's at fault here ?

The problem here is the UK Government - they will not let BT do hardly
anything without penalty saying "We must allow the 'competition' to
compete equally".

Who's going to pay for this complete new communications infrastructure
?


You are way off the mark and astro turfing for BT$.

Like all organisations,
BT$ must take responsibility for its actions or none at all.

As to who will pay for new communications, the message from
every telco to BT$ is to **** off die.
Every telco knows how to make tons more money.
All they want is the local loop.
Its a license to print money.

 




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