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SDSL Pricing



 
 
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Old May 30th 05, 07:29 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Andy Burns
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jas0n wrote:

why is [SDSL] so pricey?


1. SDSL includes an extra charge for line rental as it is a dedicated
line, not bolted on top of a voice line, but you still have to pay for
that copper.

2. The PTO would loose revenue if people had too much incentive to
switch from leased lines to SDSL

3. SDSL is newer and has fewer subscribers, so it's in the "charge high
to reclaim initial costs" phase as a product


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Old May 30th 05, 07:57 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Ian Stirling
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Andy Burns wrote:
jas0n wrote:

why is [SDSL] so pricey?


1. SDSL includes an extra charge for line rental as it is a dedicated
line, not bolted on top of a voice line, but you still have to pay for
that copper.

2. The PTO would loose revenue if people had too much incentive to
switch from leased lines to SDSL

3. SDSL is newer and has fewer subscribers, so it's in the "charge high
to reclaim initial costs" phase as a product


Are there any other costs than "write a brochure" ?
Isn't essentially all of it shared with ADSL?
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Old May 30th 05, 08:20 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Andy Burns
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Ian Stirling wrote:

Are there any other costs than "write a brochure" ?
Isn't essentially all of it shared with ADSL?


The infrastructure from ISP to exchange would be shared with ADSL, but
it would need at least different cards in the DSLAM, if not an upgraded
DSLAM itself ...

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Old May 30th 05, 11:20 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default SDSL Pricing

In article , Andy
Burns says...
Ian Stirling wrote:

Are there any other costs than "write a brochure" ?
Isn't essentially all of it shared with ADSL?


The infrastructure from ISP to exchange would be shared with ADSL, but
it would need at least different cards in the DSLAM, if not an upgraded
DSLAM itself ...


there's also contention. SDSL products aren't contended like ADSL ones,
as low as 1:1 for top-end packages.

FR
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Old May 31st 05, 09:49 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Peter M
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On 30 May 2005 19:44, jas0n wrote:

I'd guess an awful lot of business's that wont currently pay for
leased lines would opt for sdsl once pricing gets its act together.


Sorry, but how do you mean "get its act together" ? Come lower ? Maybe it
will, but compared with leased lines, SDSL is better value already.

A while back (18+ months) I checked on Easynet SDSL pricing, and a supplied
souter and a year's rental was below 4K for a 2000 kbps connection. When I
checked on a leased line (64k) before that, the figure would be over 6K, so
you can see the SDSL, if it had been available, would have been a saving.

Why would you need SDSL ? Unless you have some very bandwidth hungry (for
the upstream direction) applications, such as running a 'radio' station, it
would be both costly and possibly under-used by many users... Of course you
may be looking at service for an office, in which case, while it might seem
like having to 'dig deep' the cost is not OTT, just more than you may wish
to allocate/pay :-) Peter M.


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Old May 31st 05, 11:45 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Andy Burns wrote:

jas0n wrote:

why is [SDSL] so pricey?


1. SDSL includes an extra charge for line rental as it is a dedicated
line, not bolted on top of a voice line, but you still have to pay for
that copper.

2. The PTO would loose revenue if people had too much incentive to
switch from leased lines to SDSL

3. SDSL is newer and has fewer subscribers, so it's in the "charge high
to reclaim initial costs" phase as a product



Complete ********
Its designed to rip off customers.
Overal, its cheaper to provision an SDSL lines than an ADSL line!
Potentially 8m bit SDSL is cheaper than 8mbit ADSL.
Its just ****ed up assholes who don't know anything
about telephony actively preventing its adoption.
With LLU it can be changed to SDSL for every line.
If necessary, you can install 2 lines and proper SDSL.
Its more revenue - say 8mbit SDSL for 60 quid a month or less.

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Old May 31st 05, 11:47 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Flying Rat wrote:

In article , Andy
Burns says...
Ian Stirling wrote:

Are there any other costs than "write a brochure" ?
Isn't essentially all of it shared with ADSL?


The infrastructure from ISP to exchange would be shared with ADSL, but
it would need at least different cards in the DSLAM, if not an upgraded
DSLAM itself ...


there's also contention. SDSL products aren't contended like ADSL ones,
as low as 1:1 for top-end packages.



You fell for marketing hype.
Its cheaper to provision 1:1 than any other ratios!
And if you did have to contend, its done in software
insider routers and in buffers in servers and so on.
Its totally automatic. Its less hard work than putting
in very expensive contention equipment.

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Old May 31st 05, 11:52 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Tim Clark wrote:

In article ,
jas0n writes:
In article [email protected]
reader03.plus.net, says...
jas0n wrote:

why is [SDSL] so pricey?


2. The PTO would loose revenue if people had too much incentive to
switch from leased lines to SDSL


Not a valid reason to keep prices artificially high, surely
should be something not allowed with current watchdogs around,
etc?


The watchdogs were set up in order to promote the free market. There is
a free market with leased lines: a number of telcos can offer you
point-to-point leased lines which use no BT plant at all. While they're
mostly cheaper than BT leased lines, BT can offer SDSL at rates which
compete with them, but still vastly more expensive than ADSL. Cable
companies, which could offer SDSL over their own copper pairs if they
wanted, don't feel it worth competing. That's the free market for you: a
number of companies competing to maximise their own profit.



We are into the LLU. Opportunities knock for those doing LLU.
You can get 8mbit one way.
Put in second line and some $10 boxes at the customer end,
and you got 8mbit the other way.
Its SDSL!
At the exchange it all goes into routers that buffer
and automatically contend if necessary. But it
don't cost you any extra - a $50 router is still a $50 router!
It can content 20 houses to a $20 100mbit switch.

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Old May 31st 05, 12:10 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Andy Burns
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"7" wrote:

Overal, its cheaper to provision an SDSL lines than an ADSL line!


I've seen that mentioned

say 8mbit SDSL for 60 quid a month or less.


So why aren't ISPs queueing up to offer it?



 




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