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Changing ADSL ISP & MAC numbers



 
 
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Old June 26th 05, 09:12 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
John F Kappler
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Default Changing ADSL ISP & MAC numbers

A friend has a broadband account with OneTel which they acquired from
Global.

He wants to change ISP, but OneTel wont (they say Cant) give him a MAC
number for his connection.

Two things arise:

1) Although OneTel aren't a signatory on the OfCom migration
agreement, Global were. So surely there must be a way of persuading
them to do the decent thing?

2) New ISP says if he just cancels with OneTel (which, incidentally,
they, OneTel, seem very keen to have him do everytime he asks for a
MAC number) then BT Wholesale will treat it as a new connection and
the ISP will have to pay BT the standard 50.

Is there any other way he can get his MAC number? We're told he cannot
speak directly to BT Wholesale...

Whilst he was happy with Global, OneTel's attitude has made him
determined to migrate elsewhere but he does strongly object to being
forced to pay another connection charge.

TIA for any help,

JohnK


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Old June 27th 05, 12:31 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Peter M
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Default Changing ADSL ISP & MAC numbers

On 26 Jun 2005 20:12 GMT, (John F Kappler) wrote:

Whilst he was happy with Global, OneTel's attitude has made him
determined to migrate elsewhere but he does strongly object to being
forced to pay another connection charge.


If they won't issue a MAC (Tiscali is another which seems terminally incapable
or simply dimwitted about this problem for customers, and a good reason to be
steered clear of them!) then there really is no option. Talking with BT W is
not going to get far - Freeserve did give me their 0800 number some time back
when FS managed not to cancel ADSL on my line for 3 months, but BT W will get
less and less happy if an end-user calls them. There are many deals where it
is possible to get ADSL service and not be charged the full (or any) fee that
matches the activation cost. Most ISPs which offer this will have a 12 month
minimum contract and that's really not so bad, though some want to be able to
'flit' from one to another ISP (really you are talking about 8+ weeks at each
ISP, it's nothing like dial-up for easy switching!).

Most ISPs have small print to claw back the cost if you do leave, so Pipex or
others might list an 'admin fee' (and while, in the past, Virgin had no setup
fee or exit fee, that has changed quite recently). Plus.Net has a 'you stay,
we pay' policy where the cost of setup is clawed back, but reduces 20% yearly
so it would cost 80% if you cease/migrate during your second year, 60% in the
third year, and so on. I see there's free setup on the 2000 kbps package and
cheap (25.00) setup for the 1000 kbps service, see http://www.dcomms.co.uk/
(see the Home ADSL options) with only 3 month contract, so cheap to get going
and the possibility of migration after that (but *worth contacting them about
their support of MAC issuing* before going any further!!!)

Watch out for V.21 which has a 30 pound fee for the luxury of cloing your a/c
but other ISPs are around with 12 month contracts, and cover the setup during
that first year (Freedom 2 Surf and Pipex are just a couple more to consider).

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Old June 27th 05, 01:04 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Phil Thompson
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Default Changing ADSL ISP & MAC numbers

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:31:20 +0100, Peter M
wrote:

Most ISPs which offer this will have a 12 month
minimum contract


OneTel are one of these - "Broadband subject to status, acceptance,
availability and a 12 months minimum contract." which may be a factor
here.

OFCOM thing on migration for reference
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/advice/telec...m_cop/?a=87101

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Old June 27th 05, 07:22 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
John F Kappler
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Default Changing ADSL ISP & MAC numbers

Thanks for the replies.

There's no contract issues here, nor owed money. As I said Onetel are
happy to accept his cancellation, they just say he cant have a MAC
number.

JohnK
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Old June 27th 05, 08:42 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Graham
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Default Changing ADSL ISP & MAC numbers



As side question what is "MAC" in this context - (not Media Access Control
in Ethernet cards?)


Migration Authentication Code

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Old June 27th 05, 09:37 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Phil Thompson
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Default Changing ADSL ISP & MAC numbers

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:27:07 +0200, "obsidian"
wrote:

As side question what is "MAC" in this context


Migration Authorisation Code

"permission to leave" plus the necessary database links.

Phil
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Old July 2nd 05, 06:42 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Graham Murray
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Default Changing ADSL ISP & MAC numbers

"obsidian" writes:

As side question what is "MAC" in this context - (not Media Access Control
in Ethernet cards?)


Does anyone else think it is very naughty of BT to use the MAC acronym
when it already has a longstanding and accepted meaning in the same
field (networking)?
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Old July 2nd 05, 07:02 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Martin Underwood
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Default Changing ADSL ISP & MAC numbers

"Graham Murray" wrote in message
...
"obsidian" writes:

As side question what is "MAC" in this context - (not Media Access
Control
in Ethernet cards?)


Does anyone else think it is very naughty of BT to use the MAC acronym
when it already has a longstanding and accepted meaning in the same
field (networking)?


Oh, doesn't it stand for Media Access Control in BT-speak? I always thought
it did. I thought they were telling you the MAC address of the device in the
exchange that your line was connected to.

If not, yes it is *very* naughty. It's bad enough having SIM (subscriber
identity module) and SIMM (single in-line memory module) but at least these
are usually used in relation to different pieces of kit.


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Old July 3rd 05, 09:31 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Phil Thompson
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Default Changing ADSL ISP & MAC numbers

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:42:34 +0100, Graham Murray
wrote:

Does anyone else think it is very naughty of BT to use the MAC acronym
when it already has a longstanding and accepted meaning in the same
field (networking)?


yes and no ;-)

there is no context overlap really, its only newbies or ignorant end
users that get confused.

You would never look at your router to determine a code to allow you
to transfer to another ISP, or ask your ISP for a MAC code to add to
the authorised clients list on a router, after all.


Phil
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