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Why no 'home' SDSL?



 
 
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Old December 11th 05, 01:07 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
7
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Default Why no 'home' SDSL?

Why no 'home' SDSL?
Its all 'business' SDSL.

Fsck that! Some bright POTS management idiot seems
to be in charge of deciding whether the public knows
whether they need SDSL or not.

More like they are too busy milking businesses with
SDSL rate hike and protecting themselves of the free market
and choice.

That this could happen in 2005 means nothing of course
to regulators stuck in AD 1805 business practices.

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Old December 11th 05, 01:37 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Why no 'home' SDSL?

Just because SDSL is aimed and advertised towards businesses most companies
would be happy to supply it to your house. However the cost of SDSL means
it's too expensive for average Joe to afford.

Traditional POTS voice cannot be used on an SDSL line. The majority of
people would be unwilling to pay two line rentals a month.

Most home users do not require a high upload speed. The average person
downloads much more than they upload.

And recently the trend seems to be towards very high download speeds.
(8Mb,24Mb) I think SDSL offers a maximum download speed of 4Mb using a
single line. Out of the two products I know what one sounds more appealing
to the average person.

And finally SDSL is much more distance dependant then ADSL.

Dan


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Old December 11th 05, 02:42 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Why no 'home' SDSL?

Daniel wrote:

Just because SDSL is aimed and advertised towards businesses most
companies would be happy to supply it to your house.


Funny that.
They they still want 2000+ pounds minimum for it because
its 'business' SDSL and not 'home' SDSL.


However the cost of
SDSL means it's too expensive for average Joe to afford.


Funny that.
ADSL2 providers giving greater upload bandwidth at 40 pounds
per month than most SDSL providers can provide at 4000 pounds
per annum.

Traditional POTS voice cannot be used on an SDSL line. The majority of
people would be unwilling to pay two line rentals a month.


Funny that.
What has owning an SDSL line got to do with owning a voice line?
Deregulate SDSL and you will see providers with bundled VoIP over SDSL
in next to no time.


Most home users do not require a high upload speed. The average person
downloads much more than they upload.


Funny that.
Thats what clueless POTS management said when 2400 baud modems were a rage
and 9600 came out.

And recently the trend seems to be towards very high download speeds.
(8Mb,24Mb) I think SDSL offers a maximum download speed of 4Mb using a
single line. Out of the two products I know what one sounds more appealing
to the average person.


Funny that.
Thats what clueless POTS management said about ADSL when ISDN was a rage.

And finally SDSL is much more distance dependant then ADSL.


Funny that.
Thats what clueless POTS management said about ADSL when 9600 baud modems
were a rage.

Dan


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Old December 11th 05, 02:48 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Why no 'home' SDSL?


"7" wrote in message
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Daniel wrote:

Just because SDSL is aimed and advertised towards businesses most
companies would be happy to supply it to your house.


Funny that.
They they still want 2000+ pounds minimum for it because
its 'business' SDSL and not 'home' SDSL.


You want it, you pay for it. No-ones stopping you.


However the cost of
SDSL means it's too expensive for average Joe to afford.


Funny that.
ADSL2 providers giving greater upload bandwidth at 40 pounds
per month than most SDSL providers can provide at 4000 pounds
per annum.


You want it, you pay for it. No-ones stopping you.

Traditional POTS voice cannot be used on an SDSL line. The majority of
people would be unwilling to pay two line rentals a month.


Funny that.
What has owning an SDSL line got to do with owning a voice line?
Deregulate SDSL and you will see providers with bundled VoIP over SDSL
in next to no time.


Which they currently dont, so you want a voice line you have to have a
seperate one.

Most home users do not require a high upload speed. The average person
downloads much more than they upload.


Funny that.
Thats what clueless POTS management said when 2400 baud modems were a rage
and 9600 came out.


Hmm, so it's still true then!

And recently the trend seems to be towards very high download speeds.
(8Mb,24Mb) I think SDSL offers a maximum download speed of 4Mb using a
single line. Out of the two products I know what one sounds more
appealing
to the average person.


Funny that.
Thats what clueless POTS management said about ADSL when ISDN was a rage.


Hmm, so it's still true then!

And finally SDSL is much more distance dependant then ADSL.


Funny that.
Thats what clueless POTS management said about ADSL when 9600 baud modems
were a rage.


Which... it was and still is.


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Old December 11th 05, 08:51 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Bob Eager
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Default Why no 'home' SDSL?

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:42:32 UTC, 7
wrote:

Thats what clueless POTS management said when 2400 baud modems were a rage
and 9600 came out.


You show your ignorance. There have never been 9600 baud modems.

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Old December 11th 05, 08:59 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
PhilT
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Default Why no 'home' SDSL?


7 wrote:

Funny that.
They they still want 2000+ pounds minimum for it because
its 'business' SDSL and not 'home' SDSL.


that's because its 10:1 or less contention. If you look at ADSL with
the same contention ratio (Nildram, Demon) you find its the same price
or even more than SDSL (despite SDSL having a line included in the
price).

SDSL also has SLAs and other stuff that are either premium priced or
don't exist for ADSL.

The price reflects the service you're buying. If you need the service
pay the price, if you can't afford it use something cheaper and
crappier. Simple really.

Phil

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Old December 11th 05, 09:37 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Tiscali Tim
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Default Why no 'home' SDSL?

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
7 wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Just because SDSL is aimed and advertised towards businesses most
companies would be happy to supply it to your house.


Funny that.
They they still want 2000+ pounds minimum for it because
its 'business' SDSL and not 'home' SDSL.


However the cost of
SDSL means it's too expensive for average Joe to afford.


Funny that.
ADSL2 providers giving greater upload bandwidth at 40 pounds
per month than most SDSL providers can provide at 4000 pounds
per annum.

Traditional POTS voice cannot be used on an SDSL line. The majority
of people would be unwilling to pay two line rentals a month.


Funny that.
What has owning an SDSL line got to do with owning a voice line?
Deregulate SDSL and you will see providers with bundled VoIP over SDSL
in next to no time.


Most home users do not require a high upload speed. The average
person downloads much more than they upload.


Funny that.
Thats what clueless POTS management said when 2400 baud modems were a
rage and 9600 came out.

And recently the trend seems to be towards very high download speeds.
(8Mb,24Mb) I think SDSL offers a maximum download speed of 4Mb using
a single line. Out of the two products I know what one sounds more
appealing to the average person.


Funny that.
Thats what clueless POTS management said about ADSL when ISDN was a
rage.

And finally SDSL is much more distance dependant then ADSL.


Funny that.
Thats what clueless POTS management said about ADSL when 9600 baud
modems were a rage.

Dan


Since you're obviously such an expert on what the market wants, why not put
your money where your mouth is and offer your own SDSL service? You might
make a killing! Or not?
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Old December 11th 05, 09:55 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Why no 'home' SDSL?

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:33:28 UTC, David Rance
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 Bob Eager wrote:
Thats what clueless POTS management said when 2400 baud modems were a rage
and 9600 came out.


You show your ignorance. There have never been 9600 baud modems.


Unless you're criticising the use of "baud" in this context. All right,
"9600 bps"! ;-)


Exactly.

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Old December 11th 05, 11:52 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Why no 'home' SDSL?

Bob Eager wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:33:28 UTC, David Rance
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 Bob Eager wrote:
Thats what clueless POTS management said when 2400 baud modems were a
rage and 9600 came out.

You show your ignorance. There have never been 9600 baud modems.


Unless you're criticising the use of "baud" in this context. All right,
"9600 bps"! ;-)


Exactly.


Idiot!

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Old December 11th 05, 11:56 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Bob Eager
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Default Why no 'home' SDSL?

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:52:49 UTC, 7
wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:33:28 UTC, David Rance
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 Bob Eager wrote:
Thats what clueless POTS management said when 2400 baud modems were a
rage and 9600 came out.

You show your ignorance. There have never been 9600 baud modems.

Unless you're criticising the use of "baud" in this context. All right,
"9600 bps"! ;-)


Exactly.


Idiot!


And you *still* don't realise that there's a difference...a POTS line
cannot support more than (about) 3000 baud.

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