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Old February 5th 06, 02:45 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Paul Hanson
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Hi there,

Try BT Yahoo as you can decide what is Spam and what is not.

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Old February 5th 06, 05:03 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
bill
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"Paul Hanson" wrote in message
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Hi there,

Try BT Yahoo as you can decide what is Spam and what is not.

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You can on INCOMING mail which is great, just as you can with GMAIL and
HOTMAIL. Unfortunately some ISPs such as Tesco/BlueYonder/NTL are using a
third party spam filter. They refuse to say who provides it and if the
company doing it is owned by them to try and force people away from certain
ISPs. Hotmail, Yahoo, FSNET and Wanadoo are all being blocked as a whole
while Tesco, NTL, BY are whinging about those companies doing nothing and
being a haven for spmmers. Customers of NTL, BlueYonder and Tesco - now
possibly macmail are not getting the choice of who they want to filter.
Mail is being returned to senders with a message saying there is a delay and
to do nothing. It then gets deleted. Tesco are saying if customer dont
like it, they should use a web based email service to email friends on
hotmail, blueyonder, wanadoo and FSNET.
NTL is very good at driving customers away, they never learn. If people
can't email friends the company can't hope to get all the friends as new
customers, those suffering will ditch NTL and go elsewhere.
Tesco admit there are third party programs to stop spam but will not do a
deal with any of the manufacturers and think customers are too thick to
operate it anyway.
I have had many discussions with Tesco, and as they're blocking emails
without any good reason I am waiting for my MAC !


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Old February 5th 06, 05:17 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Fergal Butler
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:03:09 GMT, "bill"
wrote:


You can on INCOMING mail which is great, just as you can with GMAIL and
HOTMAIL. Unfortunately some ISPs such as Tesco/BlueYonder/NTL are using a
third party spam filter. They refuse to say who provides it and if the
company doing it is owned by them to try and force people away from certain
ISPs.


This is incorrect and untrue. In the case of blueyonder we openly
admit to using the Spamhaus SBL., and, before you ask, no we don't own
them. This is just one as part of an overall anti-spam infrastructure
that includes Spamassassin with user configurable settings and our
PCGuard client security package also with user configurable settings.

regards,

Fergal
Internet Network Architectural Consultant
Network Engineering and Technical Strategy
Telewest. ICQ 6805293, MSN
  #4  
Old February 5th 06, 08:15 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Flying Rat
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In article , Fergal Butler
says...
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:03:09 GMT, "bill"
wrote:


You can on INCOMING mail which is great, just as you can with GMAIL and
HOTMAIL. Unfortunately some ISPs such as Tesco/BlueYonder/NTL are using a
third party spam filter. They refuse to say who provides it and if the
company doing it is owned by them to try and force people away from certain
ISPs.


This is incorrect and untrue. In the case of blueyonder we openly
admit to using the Spamhaus SBL., and, before you ask, no we don't own
them. This is just one as part of an overall anti-spam infrastructure
that includes Spamassassin with user configurable settings and our
PCGuard client security package also with user configurable settings.

regards,

Fergal
Internet Network Architectural Consultant
Network Engineering and Technical Strategy
Telewest. ICQ 6805293, MSN

Maybe you would be better employed sorting out the amount of spam coming
FROM your network. For instance there are a number of usenet spammers
I've reported who are still there and still spamming away.

I even ran a porn spam received by email recently through Spamcop and
found the porn site/per-click toplist was hosted on BY!

FR
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Old February 5th 06, 08:19 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Flying Rat
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In article , bill says...

You can on INCOMING mail which is great, just as you can with GMAIL and
HOTMAIL. Unfortunately some ISPs such as Tesco/BlueYonder/NTL are using a
third party spam filter. They refuse to say who provides it and if the
company doing it is owned by them to try and force people away from certain
ISPs. Hotmail, Yahoo, FSNET and Wanadoo are all being blocked as a whole
while Tesco, NTL, BY are whinging about those companies doing nothing and
being a haven for spmmers. Customers of NTL, BlueYonder and Tesco - now
possibly macmail are not getting the choice of who they want to filter.
Mail is being returned to senders with a message saying there is a delay and
to do nothing. It then gets deleted. Tesco are saying if customer dont
like it, they should use a web based email service to email friends on
hotmail, blueyonder, wanadoo and FSNET.
NTL is very good at driving customers away, they never learn. If people
can't email friends the company can't hope to get all the friends as new
customers, those suffering will ditch NTL and go elsewhere.
Tesco admit there are third party programs to stop spam but will not do a
deal with any of the manufacturers and think customers are too thick to
operate it anyway.
I have had many discussions with Tesco, and as they're blocking emails
without any good reason I am waiting for my MAC !



why do you keep posting the same old crap?

It's been explained to you that tesco are not filtering spam, they are
preventing systems which are on abusive IP addresses from connecting to
their systems. Tesco do not do this to drive traffic to them as an ISP,
they do it to stop abuse of their network.

If anything it should attract customers as it shows Tesco to be a mature
outfit which is working to prevent abuse. If the email server which is
being refused connection was on a responsibly managed network then it
would not be blacklisted.

You need to grow up.

FR
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Old February 5th 06, 10:38 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Mark McIntyre
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:03:09 GMT, in uk.telecom.broadband , "bill"
wrote:

Unfortunately some ISPs such as Tesco/BlueYonder/NTL are using a
third party spam filter. They refuse to say who provides it and if the
company doing it is owned by them to try and force people away from certain
ISPs.


This is a scurrilous slander, and quite probably a lie. Before
propagating lies, you should be extremely careful.

Mark McIntyre
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Old February 6th 06, 01:17 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Bob Eager
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 00:48:13 UTC, Edster wrote:

It's been explained to you that tesco are not filtering spam, they are
preventing systems which are on abusive IP addresses from connecting to
their systems. Tesco do not do this to drive traffic to them as an ISP,
they do it to stop abuse of their network.

If anything it should attract customers as it shows Tesco to be a mature
outfit which is working to prevent abuse. If the email server which is
being refused connection was on a responsibly managed network then it
would not be blacklisted.

You need to grow up.


How many people do you think use hotmail, blueyonder, wanadoo and
FSNET?


A lot.

How many of those do you think are spammers?


Quite a lot.

People who are
stupid enough to let their addresses fall into the hands of spammers
can use their own filtering systems if the result of their stupidity
bothers them.


It doesn't need them to be stupid, and if you believe that then your
stupidity exceeds theirs. ANYONE they have ever corresponded with could
have their email address in an address book, which has been compromised
by a virus. That's not under their control.

ISPs have no business censoring their customers' emails
in this way. If all your friends/relatives/business contacts have to
be using the same ISP as you, there's no point to email at all. Next
you'll be wanting your ISP to block popups on websites.


OK, use an ISP that does no filtering at all. I do. But I also have to
reject thousands of attempted connections a week, on my own mail server,
to keep the incoming spam to a dull roar. Then I have to filter on a few
criteria that I won't publish. Then I start marking much of the rest as
probable spam. Do the same if you like - there's nothing stopping you.

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Usually accompanied by silly noises and gestures - incurable, early
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Old February 6th 06, 08:37 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Tony Raven
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Edster wrote:


How many people do you think use hotmail, blueyonder, wanadoo and
FSNET? How many of those do you think are spammers? People who are
stupid enough to let their addresses fall into the hands of spammers
can use their own filtering systems if the result of their stupidity
bothers them. ISPs have no business censoring their customers' emails
in this way. If all your friends/relatives/business contacts have to
be using the same ISP as you, there's no point to email at all. Next
you'll be wanting your ISP to block popups on websites.


Lots of people use them and lots of spammers and lots of people who take
little care of their computers and have unwittingly been hijacked by
spammers to send their spam.

If you think spammers get their addresses through through the owners
being careless then I suggest you need to teach yourself more about spam
mailing lists and how they work.

As for ISPs it is a free market out there and you can switch to one that
does no filtering whatsoever if you wish. You might regret it unless
you put on your own spam filtering.....but then you can't because it
might false positive reject a valid e-mail for you so you will have to
wade through all the spam to find your valid e-mail. Have fun.

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Tony

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right."
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