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WiFi/ADSL connection



 
 
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Old December 28th 04, 05:57 PM posted to uk.comp.home-networking
JZ
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Default WiFi/ADSL connection

I'm another person with a problem with my ADSL/Wireless connection! I
haven't yet found any relevant answers on Google so here's my
question...

I've been trying to set up someone's new ADSL connection so that it
works on multiple computers (all WinXP). The ISP is OneTel. OneTel
supplied a modem which is connected to the computer via USB (the only
option - no LAN direct from the modem). I installed this on one of the
computers, using the supplied user name and password, and it works in
this configuration; in fact all of the computers will connect direct
through the modem.

I then set up a wireless network so that the connection could be
shared. As the supplied modem has no ethernet port, I obtained a
wireless modem-router. I set up the network, and all computers are
able to talk to the network with good signal strength etc.

Then I connected the router to the phone/ADSL line in place of the
modem. The router appears to be connected to the line (green ADSL
light on the modem-router was solid and in the HTTP-based setup
system, the line state is listed as SHOWTIME). But although I could
get the computers to access the router (they acknowledged the
connection and could connect to 192.168.8.1 for modem/router setup)
and the router accepted the physical presence of the line, I couldn't
get the router to log in properly to the ISP. Later on it started
working intermittently, generally for perhaps an hour at a time.

All settings seem have been entered correctly into the modem-router -
I entered the user name and password supplied by OneTel, it's set for
PPPoA etc. I've tried resetting, and often nothing has been changed at
all between it working and not working. Going direct through the
OneTel supplied modem, the connection always works completely. The
OneTel modem's software reports that the various settings are the same
as the wireless router's PPPoA defaults. When I try pressing the
connect button onthe router's setup utility, it fails.

Eventually I noticed that the router seems to be able to connect after
the OneTel modem has been used. So I tested this out, and found that
it works if one first connects a computer directly to ADSL through the
OneTel modem, and then switches the line connection from that modem to
the wireless router's WAN connection.

So what appears to be happening is that the OneTel modem is able to
establishg a connection, but the router can only access the connection
aftere the other modem has logged in. And then the whole network can
use the internet for some time, after which it disconnects - possibly
something is timing out (the connection is still being used so it
doesn't appear to be disconnecting when idle or anything). I'm
wondering whether the router needs to be set up for an alternative
login protocol, but I can't find any suitable settings to try apart
from those that have already been entered.

So is there anything I can do? It looks like I need either to enable
the router's modem to establish a connection by itself; or to ensure
that once connected it doesn't disconnect like this, so that we don't
need to fiddle with the modems etc every hour or so to reconnect.
  #2  
Old December 28th 04, 05:59 PM posted to uk.comp.home-networking
JZ
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Default WiFi/ADSL connection

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:57:00 +0000, JZ
wrote:

I'm another person with a problem with my ADSL/Wireless connection! I
haven't yet found any relevant answers on Google so here's my
question...



One other piece of information I missed: the modem-router is DabsValue
/ PTI.

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Old December 28th 04, 06:29 PM posted to uk.comp.home-networking
Phil Thompson
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:59:43 +0000, JZ
wrote:

One other piece of information I missed: the modem-router is DabsValue
/ PTI.


sounds like it may be faulty and doesn't initiate a session with the
exchange, the USB modem sets it up then the Dabsvalue thing is seen as
a reconnection when you swop them over.

There are some other ADSL settings, like G.dmt and PPPoA VC-mux that
may not be right, not sure of them all. Maybe list what settings it
has ?

Phil
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Old December 28th 04, 06:56 PM posted to uk.comp.home-networking
JZ
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Default WiFi/ADSL connection

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:29:58 +0000, Phil Thompson
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:59:43 +0000, JZ
wrote:

One other piece of information I missed: the modem-router is DabsValue
/ PTI.


There are some other ADSL settings, like G.dmt and PPPoA VC-mux that
may not be right, not sure of them all. Maybe list what settings it
has ?


The currenjt settings a

PPPoA service name: blank - maybe I should enter one, but I can't
find one listed anywhere on documentation or the settings for the
OneTel modem, and ISTR reading that it can be left blank for BT, so
maybe for OneTel also, which I think uses a very similar (same?)
connection

Account name + password: copied from ISP's letter; I've tried
reentering these a few times in case there's an error I haven't
noticed, but hasn't made any difference.

Encapsulation: PPPoA VC-Mux
VPI: 0 VCI: 38
These are the router's defaults, and match the settings listed in the
OneTel modem's software when that's working

Can't find any others at the moment - I keep rooting through the setup
system looking for any further information so might find something
later on!

I can post a copy of the system log if necessary.

  #5  
Old December 28th 04, 10:18 PM posted to uk.comp.home-networking
Phil Thompson
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:56:22 +0000, JZ
wrote:

I can post a copy of the system log if necessary.


worth a go, it may show what fails eg the authentication step

Phil
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Old December 28th 04, 10:29 PM posted to uk.comp.home-networking
JZ
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Default WiFi/ADSL connection

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:18:03 +0000, Phil Thompson
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:56:22 +0000, JZ
wrote:

I can post a copy of the system log if necessary.


worth a go, it may show what fails eg the authentication step


Just pasted this from the log. To save space I've removed some of it,
but covers the last few hours including a couple of the connection
cycles.

The last entries (14:14 - it gets the time from a server but it's
several hours out - probably wrong time zone) will be quite recent as
I had to reconnect not long ago.

I think the last entries up to around 13:55 are during a previous
session during which I had it working on the previous connection;
around 14:10 covers the time I tried logging on again to find it had
disconnected; and between 14:10 and 14:14 I was connecting on the
modem and transferring the cable etc. From 14:14 it's been fully
connected.

12/28/2004 14:14:19 PPP1 Session is up.
12/28/2004 14:14:19 DNS: Add IP address 212.67.120.148 (Auto
discovered)
12/28/2004 14:14:18 No Static Session Information is defined.
12/28/2004 14:14:18 NAT/NAPT Session Start: interface ppp1, WAN IP is
84.43.92.233
12/28/2004 14:14:18 PPP1: DNS Primary IP address is 212.67.120.148
12/28/2004 14:14:18 PPP1: PPP Gateway IP address is 212.67.121.44
12/28/2004 14:14:18 PPP1: PPP IP address is 84.43.92.233
12/28/2004 14:14:18 PPP1 CHAP Authentication success
12/28/2004 14:14:10 PPP1 PPPoA Connected
12/28/2004 14:14:10 ATM Tx Error Count: 0, Rx Error Count: 0
12/28/2004 14:14:10 u/s total bit capacity: 96bits, used: 96bits
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s total bit capacity: 2182bits, used: 152bits
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s Latency: FAST, u/s Latency: FAST
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s Data Rate: 576kbps, u/s Data Rate: 288kbps
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s CRC Errors: 0, u/s CRC Errors: 0
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s Attenuation: 38.9dB, u/s Attenuation: 31.5dB
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s SNR: 32.2dB, u/s SNR: 20.0dB
12/28/2004 14:14:10 CO Vendor: TEXAS_INSTRUMENTS
12/28/2004 14:14:10 Max Tx Power: -38dBm/Hz
12/28/2004 14:14:10 Annex Mode: ANNEX_A
12/28/2004 14:14:10 Modulation: G.dmt
12/28/2004 14:14:10 ADSL connected
12/28/2004 14:14:10 ATM layer is up, cell delineation achieved
12/28/2004 14:14:10 ATM Connected
12/28/2004 14:14:04 ADSL detected
12/28/2004 14:12:58 ADSL disconnected
12/28/2004 14:12:58 ATM Disconnected
12/28/2004 14:10:44 PPP1 Session is down.
12/28/2004 14:10:41 PPP1: LCP terminated at peer's request.
12/28/2004 14:10:37 PPP1 PPPoA Connected
12/28/2004 13:55:42 NAT/NAPT Session Stop: interface ppp1
12/28/2004 13:55:42 PPP1 Session is down.
12/28/2004 13:55:42 DNS: Remove IP address 212.67.120.148 (Auto
discovered)
12/28/2004 13:55:38 PPP1: LCP terminated at peer's request.
12/28/2004 11:55:40 PPP1 Session is up.
12/28/2004 11:55:40 DNS: Add IP address 212.67.120.148 (Auto
discovered)
12/28/2004 11:55:40 No Static Session Information is defined.
12/28/2004 11:55:40 NAT/NAPT Session Start: interface ppp1, WAN IP is
84.43.105.79
12/28/2004 11:55:40 PPP1: DNS Primary IP address is 212.67.120.148
12/28/2004 11:55:40 PPP1: PPP Gateway IP address is 212.67.121.46
12/28/2004 11:55:40 PPP1: PPP IP address is 84.43.105.79
12/28/2004 11:55:40 PPP1 CHAP Authentication success
12/28/2004 11:55:32 PPP1 PPPoA Connected
12/28/2004 11:55:32 ATM Tx Error Count: 0, Rx Error Count: 0
12/28/2004 11:55:32 u/s total bit capacity: 96bits, used: 96bits
12/28/2004 11:55:32 d/s total bit capacity: 2133bits, used: 152bits
12/28/2004 11:55:32 d/s Latency: FAST, u/s Latency: FAST
12/28/2004 11:55:32 d/s Data Rate: 576kbps, u/s Data Rate: 288kbps
12/28/2004 11:55:32 d/s CRC Errors: 0, u/s CRC Errors: 0
12/28/2004 11:55:32 d/s Attenuation: 39.4dB, u/s Attenuation: 31.5dB
12/28/2004 11:55:32 d/s SNR: 32.9dB, u/s SNR: 18.0dB
12/28/2004 11:55:32 CO Vendor: TEXAS_INSTRUMENTS
12/28/2004 11:55:32 Max Tx Power: -38dBm/Hz
12/28/2004 11:55:32 Annex Mode: ANNEX_A
12/28/2004 11:55:32 Modulation: G.dmt
12/28/2004 11:55:32 ADSL connected
12/28/2004 11:55:32 ATM layer is up, cell delineation achieved
12/28/2004 11:55:32 ATM Connected
12/28/2004 11:55:25 ADSL detected
12/28/2004 11:55:23 NAT/NAPT Session Stop: interface ppp1
12/28/2004 11:55:23 PPP1 Session is down.
12/28/2004 11:55:23 DNS: Remove IP address 212.67.120.148 (Auto
discovered)
12/28/2004 11:55:23 ADSL disconnected
12/28/2004 11:55:23 ATM Disconnected
12/28/2004 11:51:46 PPP1 Session is up.
12/28/2004 11:51:46 DNS: Add IP address 212.67.120.148 (Auto
discovered)
12/28/2004 11:51:46 No Static Session Information is defined.
12/28/2004 11:51:46 NAT/NAPT Session Start: interface ppp1, WAN IP is
84.43.105.79
12/28/2004 11:51:46 PPP1: DNS Primary IP address is 212.67.120.148
12/28/2004 11:51:46 PPP1: PPP Gateway IP address is 212.67.121.46
12/28/2004 11:51:46 PPP1: PPP IP address is 84.43.105.79
12/28/2004 11:51:46 PPP1 CHAP Authentication success
12/28/2004 11:51:38 PPP1 PPPoA Connected
12/28/2004 11:51:38 ATM Tx Error Count: 0, Rx Error Count: 0
12/28/2004 11:51:38 u/s total bit capacity: 96bits, used: 96bits
12/28/2004 11:51:38 d/s total bit capacity: 2099bits, used: 152bits
12/28/2004 11:51:38 d/s Latency: FAST, u/s Latency: FAST
12/28/2004 11:51:38 d/s Data Rate: 576kbps, u/s Data Rate: 288kbps
12/28/2004 11:51:38 d/s CRC Errors: 0, u/s CRC Errors: 0
12/28/2004 11:51:38 d/s Attenuation: 39.4dB, u/s Attenuation: 31.5dB
12/28/2004 11:51:38 d/s SNR: 33.4dB, u/s SNR: 18.0dB
12/28/2004 11:51:38 CO Vendor: TEXAS_INSTRUMENTS
12/28/2004 11:51:38 Max Tx Power: -38dBm/Hz
12/28/2004 11:51:38 Annex Mode: ANNEX_A
12/28/2004 11:51:38 Modulation: G.dmt
12/28/2004 11:51:38 ADSL connected
12/28/2004 11:51:38 ATM layer is up, cell delineation achieved
12/28/2004 11:51:38 ATM Connected
12/28/2004 11:51:31 ADSL detected
12/28/2004 11:51:28 NAT/NAPT Session Stop: interface ppp1
12/28/2004 11:51:28 PPP1 Session is down.
12/28/2004 11:51:28 DNS: Remove IP address 212.67.120.148 (Auto
discovered)
12/28/2004 11:51:28 ADSL disconnected
12/28/2004 11:51:28 ATM Disconnected
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Old December 29th 04, 08:33 AM posted to uk.comp.home-networking
Phil Thompson
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:29:15 +0000, JZ
wrote:

succesful logon:

12/28/2004 14:14:19 PPP1 Session is up.
12/28/2004 14:14:19 DNS: Add IP address 212.67.120.148 (Auto
discovered)
12/28/2004 14:14:18 No Static Session Information is defined.
12/28/2004 14:14:18 NAT/NAPT Session Start: interface ppp1, WAN IP is
84.43.92.233
12/28/2004 14:14:18 PPP1: DNS Primary IP address is 212.67.120.148
12/28/2004 14:14:18 PPP1: PPP Gateway IP address is 212.67.121.44
12/28/2004 14:14:18 PPP1: PPP IP address is 84.43.92.233
12/28/2004 14:14:18 PPP1 CHAP Authentication success
12/28/2004 14:14:10 PPP1 PPPoA Connected


ADSL link established OK after using ADSL modem:

12/28/2004 14:14:10 ATM Tx Error Count: 0, Rx Error Count: 0
12/28/2004 14:14:10 u/s total bit capacity: 96bits, used: 96bits
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s total bit capacity: 2182bits, used: 152bits
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s Latency: FAST, u/s Latency: FAST
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s Data Rate: 576kbps, u/s Data Rate: 288kbps
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s CRC Errors: 0, u/s CRC Errors: 0
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s Attenuation: 38.9dB, u/s Attenuation: 31.5dB
12/28/2004 14:14:10 d/s SNR: 32.2dB, u/s SNR: 20.0dB
12/28/2004 14:14:10 CO Vendor: TEXAS_INSTRUMENTS
12/28/2004 14:14:10 Max Tx Power: -38dBm/Hz
12/28/2004 14:14:10 Annex Mode: ANNEX_A
12/28/2004 14:14:10 Modulation: G.dmt
12/28/2004 14:14:10 ADSL connected
12/28/2004 14:14:10 ATM layer is up, cell delineation achieved
12/28/2004 14:14:10 ATM Connected
12/28/2004 14:14:04 ADSL detected
12/28/2004 14:12:58 ADSL disconnected
12/28/2004 14:12:58 ATM Disconnected


so this is the failure point for the router logging in on its own:

12/28/2004 14:10:44 PPP1 Session is down.
12/28/2004 14:10:41 PPP1: LCP terminated at peer's request.
12/28/2004 14:10:37 PPP1 PPPoA Connected


Did you snip the ADSL stuff just here, or was there none. It looked
like the router had not tried to make contact with the ADSL afresh and
had a stale sesssion.

and this is one that worked previously:

12/28/2004 11:55:40 PPP1: DNS Primary IP address is 212.67.120.148
12/28/2004 11:55:40 PPP1: PPP Gateway IP address is 212.67.121.46
12/28/2004 11:55:40 PPP1: PPP IP address is 84.43.105.79
12/28/2004 11:55:40 PPP1 CHAP Authentication success
12/28/2004 11:55:32 PPP1 PPPoA Connected


A decent ISP or someone with more clue than me may be able to make
more sense of it.

Phil
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Old December 29th 04, 10:50 AM posted to uk.comp.home-networking
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Hi,
call onetel and find out the right settings for: VPI, VCI, encapsulation
type, service category, dns.
Now you have to connect modem-router to one of the computer through wire
(patch cord) to set it up. Once you have adjusted the right settings in
modem-router and it works, you can go wireless.
Ashok S.

"JZ" ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
...
I'm another person with a problem with my ADSL/Wireless connection! I
haven't yet found any relevant answers on Google so here's my
question...

I've been trying to set up someone's new ADSL connection so that it
works on multiple computers (all WinXP). The ISP is OneTel. OneTel
supplied a modem which is connected to the computer via USB (the only
option - no LAN direct from the modem). I installed this on one of the
computers, using the supplied user name and password, and it works in
this configuration; in fact all of the computers will connect direct
through the modem.

I then set up a wireless network so that the connection could be
shared. As the supplied modem has no ethernet port, I obtained a
wireless modem-router. I set up the network, and all computers are
able to talk to the network with good signal strength etc.

Then I connected the router to the phone/ADSL line in place of the
modem. The router appears to be connected to the line (green ADSL
light on the modem-router was solid and in the HTTP-based setup
system, the line state is listed as SHOWTIME). But although I could
get the computers to access the router (they acknowledged the
connection and could connect to 192.168.8.1 for modem/router setup)
and the router accepted the physical presence of the line, I couldn't
get the router to log in properly to the ISP. Later on it started
working intermittently, generally for perhaps an hour at a time.

All settings seem have been entered correctly into the modem-router -
I entered the user name and password supplied by OneTel, it's set for
PPPoA etc. I've tried resetting, and often nothing has been changed at
all between it working and not working. Going direct through the
OneTel supplied modem, the connection always works completely. The
OneTel modem's software reports that the various settings are the same
as the wireless router's PPPoA defaults. When I try pressing the
connect button onthe router's setup utility, it fails.

Eventually I noticed that the router seems to be able to connect after
the OneTel modem has been used. So I tested this out, and found that
it works if one first connects a computer directly to ADSL through the
OneTel modem, and then switches the line connection from that modem to
the wireless router's WAN connection.

So what appears to be happening is that the OneTel modem is able to
establishg a connection, but the router can only access the connection
aftere the other modem has logged in. And then the whole network can
use the internet for some time, after which it disconnects - possibly
something is timing out (the connection is still being used so it
doesn't appear to be disconnecting when idle or anything). I'm
wondering whether the router needs to be set up for an alternative
login protocol, but I can't find any suitable settings to try apart
from those that have already been entered.

So is there anything I can do? It looks like I need either to enable
the router's modem to establish a connection by itself; or to ensure
that once connected it doesn't disconnect like this, so that we don't
need to fiddle with the modems etc every hour or so to reconnect.



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Old December 29th 04, 02:58 PM posted to uk.comp.home-networking
JZ
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:33:05 +0000, Phil Thompson
wrote:

Did you snip the ADSL stuff just here, or was there none. It looked
like the router had not tried to make contact with the ADSL afresh and
had a stale sesssion.


I don't think there was any snipping within the text - unless I
managed to mangle it when pasting! During that gap, as far as I know,
it was successfully being used for some time until it just stopped
working, as usually happens after some time (maybe an hour or two),
and needed to be reconnected by the other modem.
 




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