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Ofcom proposal to make migration codes compulsory



 
 
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Old August 17th 06, 11:51 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Migrations between service providers was easy for a year or two, until the
number of unbundled connections started to increase. It is in this climate
that earlier in 2006 Ofcom started to look into the migration process and
what would make it easier for the consumer. Today sees the publication of a
proposal that may see the issuing of a Migration Authorisation Code (MAC)
compulsory, and a third party method for obtaining one if the provider fails
in its duty. The press release can be read here. The full migration
consultation documents can be read at
www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/migration. The consultation period will now
last until 5th October 2006, so it will be some months before we see big
changes in the migration sector.

More of this story at
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=2772


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Old August 17th 06, 01:27 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Fatboy wrote in
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Migrations between service providers was easy for a year or two,
until the number of unbundled connections started to increase. It is
in this climate that earlier in 2006 Ofcom started to look into the
migration process and what would make it easier for the consumer.
Today sees the publication of a proposal that may see the issuing of
a Migration Authorisation Code (MAC) compulsory, and a third party
method for obtaining one if the provider fails in its duty. The press
release can be read here. The full migration consultation documents
can be read at
www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/migration. The
consultation period will now last until 5th October 2006, so it will
be some months before we see big changes in the migration sector.

More of this story at
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=2772


Why does it need consultation? Why can't OfCom simply dictate that it *will*
happen as of tomorrow morning and that the penalties for an ISP not
complying will be severe (X thousand per failure to comply)? Can anyone put
forward any argument for not having compulsory migration, apart from the
irrelevant one (from the customer's point of view) that some ISPs will
suffer because they can't lock you into their service?


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Old August 17th 06, 02:25 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Martin Underwood wrote:

Fatboy wrote in
:

Migrations between service providers was easy for a year or two,
until the number of unbundled connections started to increase. It is
in this climate that earlier in 2006 Ofcom started to look into the
migration process and what would make it easier for the consumer.
Today sees the publication of a proposal that may see the issuing of
a Migration Authorisation Code (MAC) compulsory, and a third party
method for obtaining one if the provider fails in its duty. The press
release can be read here. The full migration consultation documents
can be read at
www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/migration. The
consultation period will now last until 5th October 2006, so it will
be some months before we see big changes in the migration sector.

More of this story at
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=2772


Why does it need consultation? Why can't OfCom simply dictate that it *will*
happen as of tomorrow morning and that the penalties for an ISP not
complying will be severe (X thousand per failure to comply)? Can anyone put
forward any argument for not having compulsory migration, apart from the
irrelevant one (from the customer's point of view) that some ISPs will
suffer because they can't lock you into their service?


Can't disagree with your view there.

Graham


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Old August 17th 06, 03:45 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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"Eeyore" wrote in
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Martin Underwood wrote:

Fatboy wrote in
:

Migrations between service providers was easy for a year or two,
until the number of unbundled connections started to increase. It is
in this climate that earlier in 2006 Ofcom started to look into the
migration process and what would make it easier for the consumer.
Today sees the publication of a proposal that may see the issuing of
a Migration Authorisation Code (MAC) compulsory, and a third party
method for obtaining one if the provider fails in its duty. The press
release can be read here. The full migration consultation documents
can be read at
www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/migration. The
consultation period will now last until 5th October 2006, so it will
be some months before we see big changes in the migration sector.

More of this story at
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=2772


Why does it need consultation? Why can't OfCom simply dictate that it
*will*
happen as of tomorrow morning and that the penalties for an ISP not
complying will be severe (X thousand per failure to comply)? Can anyone
put
forward any argument for not having compulsory migration, apart from the
irrelevant one (from the customer's point of view) that some ISPs will
suffer because they can't lock you into their service?


Can't disagree with your view there.

Graham


This - fortunately or unfortunately - depending on your standpoint is
probably the best way of doing things and is now quite common, at least with
government, local government and quangos. Rather than push through
somebody's "bright idea" into new legislation or regulations, the idea is
first worked on for feasibility and legal issues and then a draft is
promulgated to stake-holders for consultation. In very many cases, some very
important issues are identified in the original draft by consultees which
were not thought of at the draft stage. These are then addressed before the
final version is launched. Think of it as something along the lines of a
"beta trial", as used by software companies.
In short, it stops (in theory) bad or unworkable-in-practice regulations
being made.
The MAC consultation will in all probability throw up a few loopholes that
rogue ISPs might have exploited with a non-thorough regulation. These should
then be closed before the regulation hits the streets.

George


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Old August 17th 06, 04:21 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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George Weston wrote in
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"Eeyore" wrote in
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Why does it need consultation? Why can't OfCom simply dictate that
it *will*
happen as of tomorrow morning and that the penalties for an ISP not
complying will be severe (X thousand per failure to comply)? Can
anyone put
forward any argument for not having compulsory migration, apart
from the irrelevant one (from the customer's point of view) that
some ISPs will suffer because they can't lock you into their
service?


Can't disagree with your view there.

Graham


This - fortunately or unfortunately - depending on your standpoint is
probably the best way of doing things and is now quite common, at
least with government, local government and quangos. Rather than push
through somebody's "bright idea" into new legislation or regulations,
the idea is first worked on for feasibility and legal issues and then
a draft is promulgated to stake-holders for consultation. In very
many cases, some very important issues are identified in the original
draft by consultees which were not thought of at the draft stage.
These are then addressed before the final version is launched. Think
of it as something along the lines of a "beta trial", as used by
software companies. In short, it stops (in theory) bad or
unworkable-in-practice
regulations being made.
The MAC consultation will in all probability throw up a few loopholes
that rogue ISPs might have exploited with a non-thorough regulation.
These should then be closed before the regulation hits the streets.


On wonders why it has taken so long for OfCom to get involved, given that
broadband and the issue of migration from one provider to another has been
around for several years.


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Old August 17th 06, 06:04 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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"Fatboy" wrote in message
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Migrations between service providers was easy for a year or two, until the
number of unbundled connections started to increase. It is in this climate
that earlier in 2006 Ofcom started to look into the migration process and
what would make it easier for the consumer. Today sees the publication of
a proposal that may see the issuing of a Migration Authorisation Code
(MAC) compulsory, and a third party method for obtaining one if the
provider fails in its duty. The press release can be read here. The full
migration consultation documents can be read at
www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/migration. The consultation period will
now last until 5th October 2006, so it will be some months before we see
big changes in the migration sector.

More of this story at
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=2772


This is extremely good news. Too many people are stuck with providers who
simply refuse or make things difficult for people to move. They should also
propose a fine system for those companies who fail to offer a mac code
within a certain time. Perhaps they might started getting their arses into
gear.


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Old August 17th 06, 06:06 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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"Martin Underwood" [email protected] wrote in message
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On wonders why it has taken so long for OfCom to get involved, given that
broadband and the issue of migration from one provider to another has been
around for several years.


Maybe they got sick of the complaints and decided enough was enough?


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Old August 17th 06, 06:16 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Martin Underwood wrote:
Fatboy wrote in
:

Migrations between service providers was easy for a year or two,
until the number of unbundled connections started to increase. It is
in this climate that earlier in 2006 Ofcom started to look into the
migration process and what would make it easier for the consumer.
Today sees the publication of a proposal that may see the issuing of
a Migration Authorisation Code (MAC) compulsory, and a third party
method for obtaining one if the provider fails in its duty. The press
release can be read here. The full migration consultation documents
can be read at
www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/migration. The
consultation period will now last until 5th October 2006, so it will
be some months before we see big changes in the migration sector.

More of this story at
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=2772


Why does it need consultation? Why can't OfCom simply dictate that it *will*
happen as of tomorrow morning and that the penalties for an ISP not
complying will be severe (X thousand per failure to comply)? Can anyone put
forward any argument for not having compulsory migration, apart from the
irrelevant one (from the customer's point of view) that some ISPs will
suffer because they can't lock you into their service?


You clearly have not read the consultation document, or you would know
the answer to that question.
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Old August 17th 06, 06:20 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Paul Cupis wrote in
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Martin Underwood wrote:
Why does it need consultation? Why can't OfCom simply dictate that
it *will* happen as of tomorrow morning and that the penalties for
an ISP not complying will be severe (X thousand per failure to
comply)? Can anyone put forward any argument for not having
compulsory migration, apart from the irrelevant one (from the
customer's point of view) that some ISPs will suffer because they
can't lock you into their service?


You clearly have not read the consultation document, or you would know
the answer to that question.


No I haven't read the consultation document. What *is* the answer to the
question?


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Old August 17th 06, 08:47 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Martin Underwood wrote:
Why does it need consultation? Why can't OfCom simply dictate that
it *will* happen as of tomorrow morning and that the penalties for
an ISP not complying will be severe (X thousand per failure to
comply)? Can anyone put forward any argument for not having
compulsory migration, apart from the irrelevant one (from the
customer's point of view) that some ISPs will suffer because they
can't lock you into their service?


Because OFCOM are subject to the rule of law and this obliges them to
intoduces changes according to that law.


You clearly have not read the consultation document, or you would
know the answer to that question.


No I haven't read the consultation document. What *is* the answer to
the question?


If you are too idle to read it why should anyone else bother to do so on
your behalf?

Peter Crosland


 




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