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new build home with BT line pre-installed - LLU an option?



 
 
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Old December 1st 06, 05:25 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
AD
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Default new build home with BT line pre-installed - LLU an option?

Hi all.

Hopefully someone can give me an answer to this one, as Bulldog have
confused me!

I'm about to move into a new build flat where the builders have had BT in to
do the phone lines into the building. I've not activated my line yet and am
looking at other options.

Bulldog are the only company who have LLUd the local exchange so they're the
option I'm thinking about, I called them to check if they'd have to bring
another line into the houseor if they could use the existing wiring from BT.
They just asked if there was an active BT line already, and said that if not
they'd do the wiring themself. If there was an active BT line, they'd take
over it.

I tried asking if they couldn't takeover the inactive, but new, BT line but
the guy on the other end could understand what I meant.

Can anyone shed any light on this one for me before I end up back with BT
:-/

Also - are there any other options that I'm missing? I don't need a landline
phone and was hoping to go with ntl broadband and have no monthly phone line
rental, but they're not covering the development so options seem limited.

It's the Bridgeton exchange in Glasgow if that helps with anything.


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Old December 1st 06, 05:35 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Maneate
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Default new build home with BT line pre-installed - LLU an option?

AD wrote:
Hi all.

Hopefully someone can give me an answer to this one, as Bulldog have
confused me!

I'm about to move into a new build flat where the builders have had BT in to
do the phone lines into the building. I've not activated my line yet and am
looking at other options.

Bulldog are the only company who have LLUd the local exchange so they're the
option I'm thinking about, I called them to check if they'd have to bring
another line into the houseor if they could use the existing wiring from BT.
They just asked if there was an active BT line already, and said that if not
they'd do the wiring themself. If there was an active BT line, they'd take
over it.

I tried asking if they couldn't takeover the inactive, but new, BT line but
the guy on the other end could understand what I meant.

Can anyone shed any light on this one for me before I end up back with BT
:-/

Also - are there any other options that I'm missing? I don't need a landline
phone and was hoping to go with ntl broadband and have no monthly phone line
rental, but they're not covering the development so options seem limited.

It's the Bridgeton exchange in Glasgow if that helps with anything.




I am guessing that the builders have just run the cable from the nearest
DP (BT Box) into the premises to prevent lots of upheaval later on. As
such I assume no one has yet paid for a line in the premises so it will
be full connection charges for the first user to apply for a line.

As Openreach will probably be providing the local loop for Bulldog I
would guess they would use the same cable to provide the service if they
do it from scratch rather than as a migration from BT.

J
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Old December 1st 06, 05:46 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default new build home with BT line pre-installed - LLU an option?


"Maneate" wrote in message
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AD wrote:
Hi all.

Hopefully someone can give me an answer to this one, as Bulldog have
confused me!

I'm about to move into a new build flat where the builders have had BT in
to do the phone lines into the building. I've not activated my line yet
and am looking at other options.

Bulldog are the only company who have LLUd the local exchange so they're
the option I'm thinking about, I called them to check if they'd have to
bring another line into the houseor if they could use the existing wiring
from BT. They just asked if there was an active BT line already, and said
that if not they'd do the wiring themself. If there was an active BT
line, they'd take over it.

I tried asking if they couldn't takeover the inactive, but new, BT line
but the guy on the other end could understand what I meant.

Can anyone shed any light on this one for me before I end up back with BT
:-/

Also - are there any other options that I'm missing? I don't need a
landline phone and was hoping to go with ntl broadband and have no
monthly phone line rental, but they're not covering the development so
options seem limited.

It's the Bridgeton exchange in Glasgow if that helps with anything.



I am guessing that the builders have just run the cable from the nearest
DP (BT Box) into the premises to prevent lots of upheaval later on. As
such I assume no one has yet paid for a line in the premises so it will be
full connection charges for the first user to apply for a line.

As Openreach will probably be providing the local loop for Bulldog I would
guess they would use the same cable to provide the service if they do it
from scratch rather than as a migration from BT.

J




Yep I will be paying full connection charges (why is it more annoying to pay
for them when the line's already there?!)

I'd hope they'd use the same cable, I don't want to order it then have the
guy say we need a new line coming in, I don't want any new wires coming in
when everything's all nice and new!

Assuming it is the same wire being used, the reviews I've seen don't scare
me off bulldog - am I missing anything?


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Old December 1st 06, 05:50 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton
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Default new build home with BT line pre-installed - LLU an option?


"AD" wrote in message news:C%Ybh.2487

Yep I will be paying full connection charges (why is it more annoying to
pay for them when the line's already there?!)


That is because BT has subsidised or even paid your builder to install their
wires.


I'd hope they'd use the same cable, I don't want to order it then have the
guy say we need a new line coming in, I don't want any new wires coming in
when everything's all nice and new!


Well if you want cable you will need a new coax wire. If you haven't got a
line shown whoever you LLU to will want paid for initial install.


Assuming it is the same wire being used, the reviews I've seen don't scare
me off bulldog - am I missing anything?


Track back through this group - see why Bulldog pulled out of the domestic
market...


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Old December 1st 06, 05:52 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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"AD" wrote in message news:C%Ybh.2487

Yep I will be paying full connection charges (why is it more annoying to
pay for them when the line's already there?!)


That is because BT has subsidised or even paid your builder to install
their wires.


Think you've misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not complaining about
paying for the new connection, I just mean it feels more annoying to pay for
the installation when it was done months ago and you don't get to see the
work being done. I'd feel like I was getting more value for my £120-odd if
someone came out after I'd paid the money and did all the work!


I'd hope they'd use the same cable, I don't want to order it then have
the guy say we need a new line coming in, I don't want any new wires
coming in when everything's all nice and new!


Well if you want cable you will need a new coax wire. If you haven't got
a line shown whoever you LLU to will want paid for initial install.


I understand that, see above. My only concern is that, whoever I pay, I
want them to use the wire that's been put in already. Bulldog implied that
they wouldn't.



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Old December 1st 06, 06:40 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Maneate
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Default new build home with BT line pre-installed - LLU an option?

AD wrote:
"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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"AD" wrote in message news:C%Ybh.2487
Yep I will be paying full connection charges (why is it more annoying to
pay for them when the line's already there?!)

That is because BT has subsidised or even paid your builder to install
their wires.


Think you've misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not complaining about
paying for the new connection, I just mean it feels more annoying to pay for
the installation when it was done months ago and you don't get to see the
work being done. I'd feel like I was getting more value for my £120-odd if
someone came out after I'd paid the money and did all the work!

I'd hope they'd use the same cable, I don't want to order it then have
the guy say we need a new line coming in, I don't want any new wires
coming in when everything's all nice and new!

Well if you want cable you will need a new coax wire. If you haven't got
a line shown whoever you LLU to will want paid for initial install.


I understand that, see above. My only concern is that, whoever I pay, I
want them to use the wire that's been put in already. Bulldog implied that
they wouldn't.


Unless Bulldog are providing their own cabling infrastructure (eg: from
the exchange to your local premises) which I believe is highly unlikly,
they will most probably use Openreach (the BT Local loop lot) to provide
the 'final mile' - ie the cable from their kit in the exchange to your
premises. Openreach are not likely to run a 'new' cable in as there is
already a cable there you can use, the one with the 'BT' socket on the end.

I am surmising that Bulldog are saying it will cost you more to have a
'New' line installed with them, than it would to transfer service from
an existing provider (BT) to them. This is because they will have to
pay Openreach to provide that 'last mile' and they will be charged the
same amount by Openreach as BT Retail (the arm of BT that provides the
BT lines to homes) is charged. Its all part of the level playing field.

I think the problem is occuring in ther terminology being used by
Bulldog, and how it differs to what is used in/by BT.

HTH

J
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Old December 1st 06, 08:50 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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£30.00 if you transfer your line from BT (or One Tel, Talk Talk etc.)
£99.00 if you need or want a new line (if you are coming to Bulldog
from cable, for example) .

see their website and they will use the wiring installed for the
builder.

and check www.bt.com.

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Old December 2nd 06, 01:25 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default new build home with BT line pre-installed - LLU an option?

As no one has ever rented a line from any service provider in this home you
will need your service provider of choice (BT or Bulldog) to provide a new
line. BT Openreach will have a record of the cabling which has been provided
by the developer, but at this point it is no more than bits of wire in the
right places to make a telephone line when the time comes. You will need to
pay a full provision charge just the same as if there wasn't any bits of
wire there! All the developer has done with the help of BT Openreach New
Sites is make the installers job quicker and hide the bits of wire inside
the walls of your nice new home!

73's de Phill H.


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Old December 2nd 06, 02:39 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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"AD" wrote in message
...
Bulldog are the only company who have LLUd the local exchange so they're
the option I'm thinking about, I called them to check if they'd have to
bring another line into the houseor if they could use the existing wiring
from BT. They just asked if there was an active BT line already, and said
that if not they'd do the wiring themself. If there was an active BT
line, they'd take over it.

I tried asking if they couldn't takeover the inactive, but new, BT line
but the guy on the other end could understand what I meant.

Can anyone shed any light on this one for me before I end up back with BT


If you want to use Bulldog, you can order the "new line" from them - their
installation charge is also slightly less than BT's.

Bulldog will get BT Openreach to do the work on their behalf and Openreach
will use the existing (i.e. new but inactive) wiring that the builders have
already put in for your telephone line.

Your other option is to get BT to activate the line, in which case the same
Openreach engineers will turn up and do the same between the exchange and
your house.. - then if you wanted to switch to Bulldog, you would need to
'transfer' the line to Bulldog (and also cancel the BT contract)

Regards
Sunil


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Old December 2nd 06, 07:25 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default new build home with BT line pre-installed - LLU an option?


"Sunil Sood" wrote in message
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"AD" wrote in message
...
Bulldog are the only company who have LLUd the local exchange so
they're the option I'm thinking about, I called them to check if
they'd have to bring another line into the houseor if they could
use the existing wiring from BT. They just asked if there was an
active BT line already, and said that if not they'd do the wiring
themself. If there was an active BT line, they'd take over it.

I tried asking if they couldn't takeover the inactive, but new, BT
line but the guy on the other end could understand what I meant.

Can anyone shed any light on this one for me before I end up back
with BT


If you want to use Bulldog, you can order the "new line" from them -
their installation charge is also slightly less than BT's.

Bulldog will get BT Openreach to do the work on their behalf and
Openreach will use the existing (i.e. new but inactive) wiring that
the builders have already put in for your telephone line.

Your other option is to get BT to activate the line, in which case
the same Openreach engineers will turn up and do the same between
the exchange and your house.. - then if you wanted to switch to
Bulldog, you would need to 'transfer' the line to Bulldog (and also
cancel the BT contract)

Regards
Sunil


One thing to remember is that just because you do have some wiring
inside the property doesn't mean to say that it is usable. You may be
suprised just how many times the plasterer has put a nail thru it
etc, or even that the electrician being short for time has only put
short pieces at each end & there isn't anything between. Yep I have
come across both.

Another one which the local sparkies have done is use burglar alarm
cable, which could cause problems when the OP gets broadband..


 




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