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Old February 7th 07, 03:45 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Jonathan Ellis wrote on 07-02-2007:

Since at least September, and possibly beforehand, I've been
sending legitimate mail from my usual email address (a sub-domain
of .freeserve.co.uk), and it sometimes hasn't been getting through.

Now. I know that:
(1) I do not send out spam.
(2) My computer is not sending out spam.
(3) As far as I have been able to detect, my account has not been

BUT... I find that my sub-domain, and the entire ISP, is on a few
DNSBL blacklists for some reason. I contacted one of them,
dnsbl.sorbs.net, and they replied that it was their policy to
blacklist the entire Freeserve server (once taken over by Wanadoo,
later taken over by Orange) because it was viewed as a place from
which spam was propagated.

Let me explain you briefly what happens in reality: That blacklist
called sorbs.net (operated by a Matthew Sullivan) demands that the
ISP coughs up 50 dollars ransom to listwash (remove) *each*
blacklisted IP address belonging to the ISP. If the ISP refuses to
pay up, he threatens to blacklist the _whole_ ISP. Freeserve (aka
Wanadoo, aka Orange) is one of those ISPs who have refused to submit
to Sullivan's blackmail. Blueyonder/Telewest/NTL is another one. The
result is totally innocent email users like yourself suffer.

There are some ignorant mail server admins in this world who reject
emails on the basis of its source IP address being included in a
blacklist. They often use those blacklists without questioning the
real motives of their operators. Another blackmail-oriented
blacklist, the notorious SPEWS, has now been destroyed and taken off
the net for
good. I can tell you that sorbs.net's days are equally numbered.

This is costing me, an entirely legitimate user, real money and
real business. I am a professional musician who relies on email to
contact companies with which I deal, and for whom I provide music,
but the mails I try to send to them are disappearing into nothing,
and people who try to mail me are getting their mail bounced back
to them.

Try to use a third party SMTP service. They are not too expensive.

FROM MY COMPUTER OR MY ACCOUNT. I do not believe either has been

I believe you 100%.

(Although I have received bounced emails, over the last few months
and couple of years, of hundreds of spam sent out with *clearly
forged* headers which have been bounced back to my domain on the
basis of these forged headers. My address is
: all these bounces are coming
back to email addresses where the "jonathan" is replaced by a
random collection of letters - however, since the entire subdomain
is mine, it's all ending up in my inbox.)

Those emails are getting bounced back to you because you have been

Jonathan Ellis.


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