In ,
typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
: On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:07:45 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: wrote:
:
: In ,
: typed, for some strange,
: unexplained reason:
:
: [snip]
:
: : I surprised that anything is selling regarding Sipgate I requested
: : that they completely remove me from their database a year or so ago
: : now but they still so fit to stuff their rubbish into my mailbox.
: : It is time their UK representative got them sorted regarding
: : sending out unsolicited mail in fact I shall be in the land of the
: : great Adolf in a couple of weeks time I shall drop in and sort
: : them myself .
:
: I'd pay to see that..! I thought you said you'd never set foot in
: Germany, Ron..?

: Where Sipgate is concerned I would even set foot in blasted Israel.

Ok let me know when, I'll come and watch..! I might even sell tickets.

Ivor

In ,
cybuerke typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: "Ivor Jones" wrote in message
: ...
: In ,
: cybuerke typed, for some strange,
: unexplained reason:
: : This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported
: : talk time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
: :
: : http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#
:
: Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli
: version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?
:
: Ivor
:
: sucks in breath I'm about to find out, as my my phone's due to be
: delivered on Wednesday. I've checked the user manual for both
: 'models' and they're identical. Any significant difference though,
: and back it trots to Dusseldorf.
:
: I'll report back.

Please do, very interested so far.

Ivor

As they are selling so cheap compared with other outlets these from
Sipgate must have something wrong or different about them .

Jumping to conclusions again ?
Quite likely they got a job lot on the cheap, as I said, probably not a good
seller or maybe end of line,
but neither means that "must have something wrong with them ".
Martin

On 10 May, 13:51, "Ivor Jones" wrote:
I look forward to a review from someone who's bought one, quite tempted.
The battery life quoted is a bit worrying though, being used to a Nokia
6310i which lasts for weeks on standby..!

Ivor

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we have 3 of these at home.
We've had them for over a year and, yes, there are a few limitations.
That said, I do feel that they are quite good value for money - as
they suit our particular use...... My comments are based on the T-
Mobile TC300, a rebadged version of this phone, but one of ours has
the Pirelli firmware installed.

Limitations include:
1) Crap batteries and battery life. Two of the three we have were
bough second hand (as nearly new) off eBay and the batteries on those
2 handsets are diabolical... 4-6 hours on standby with only half an
hours talktime. New batteries can be had for about 20 Euros off ebay.
With a "good" battery, ti needs recharging after 2 days on standby.
These battery issues aren't really a problem for us as they sit in
their charging cradle when not in use. As the phones have to maintain
GSM and WLAN/SIP registration I suppose this adds to battery
consumption. If set to just GSM or WLAN batteries last a bit longer.
2) Wifi coverage around our house is not as good as the 2 pairs of
cordless Dect phones we also use, ie we can use the Dects in some
rooms where the TC300s struggle to hold the signal.
3) You can set up 5 WLAN profiles on the phone, which is good, but you
can only have a 2 SIP profiles. One SIP profile is set to be used in
conjunction with the Sinus TC 300 base station and the other 4 WLAN
profiles tie in with another SIP profile. The solution to this is to
change the firmware to one that allows 5 WLAN profiles AND 5 SIP
profiles (one tied into each WALN profile). This firmware can be found
somewhere on the http://www.ip-phone-forum.de site. I can't find the
forum thread which talks about it now, though I did save the page.
Anyone who wants a copy, email me. One of our phones (mine!) has this
firmware and works fine. It's useful as the default is to our home
Asterisk box when I'm at home and to voipstunt when using friends
WLANs. Oh, a word on upgrading the firmware.... do it at YOUR OWN RISK
- I have found that having done this I can no longer access the phone
via PC USB software to downgrade....

These three points are definite limitations, but as I say, for our
particular use, not a problem - particularly when you consider I paid
less than €100 for the three with 2 base stations. The first was a €49
new with a base station and the other 2 cost €50 total thru ebay, one
of which also came with a base station.

--

On Sun, 11 May 2008 01:37:05 +0100, "Martin²" wrote:

As they are selling so cheap compared with other outlets these from
Sipgate must have something wrong or different about them .

Jumping to conclusions again ?
Quite likely they got a job lot on the cheap, as I said, probably not a good
seller or maybe end of line,
but neither means that "must have something wrong with them ".
Martin

I did say something wrong or DIFFERENT Martin and no matter who is
selling a product many people have found that when a product being
sold at two thirds cheaper than from other sellers there is something
a miss.
I nearly bought one of these phones quite a few months ago now but
bought a UT Starcom instead mainly because I could drive over to the
supplier and buy and use it the same day and not have to wonder when
I would receive delivery or IF .
Jumping to conclusions again ?
Wrong again I have found that throughout my life (which has been a
long one so far) that not trusting companies and suppliers as saved me
quite a lot of money over the years .

On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:24:58 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


These three points are definite limitations, but as I say, for our
particular use, not a problem - particularly when you consider I paid
less than €100 for the three with 2 base stations. The first was a €49
new with a base station and the other 2 cost €50 total thru ebay, one
of which also came with a base station.

From what you have said here these phones have the same problems has a
UTstarcom in particular battery life , thanks for posting this info my
cash stays in my bank account not that I would have bought from
Sipgate anyway sooner buy from suppliers within driving distance .

It happens that formulated :
Wrong again I have found that throughout my life (which has been a
long one so far) that not trusting companies and suppliers as saved me
quite a lot of money over the years .

It's not helped you know the difference between has & as

On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:57:13 +0100, Jono
wrote:

It happens that formulated :
Wrong again I have found that throughout my life (which has been a
long one so far) that not trusting companies and suppliers as saved me
quite a lot of money over the years .

It's not helped you know the difference between has & as
You know I just do not give a damn so get stuffed if you don't like it
you know what to do and again I just do not give a damn.

In ,
typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
: On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:24:58 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
:
:
: These three points are definite limitations, but as I say, for our
: particular use, not a problem - particularly when you consider I paid
: less than ?100 for the three with 2 base stations. The first was a
: ?49 new with a base station and the other 2 cost ?50 total thru
: ebay, one of which also came with a base station.
:
: From what you have said here these phones have the same problems has a
: UTstarcom in particular battery life , thanks for posting this info my
: cash stays in my bank account not that I would have bought from
: Sipgate anyway sooner buy from suppliers within driving distance .

You could buy one from Sipgate when you go to see them Ron, when was it
again, I'll meet you there.

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
...
In ,
cybuerke typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: : This is the same phone as the Tovo t450g, which has a reported
: : talk time of 240 min GSM and 160 min WiFi and 150 hrs Standby.
: :
: : http://www.tovo.com/t450g_WiFi-GSM_Mobile.htm#
:
: Bit of a price difference though..! Are we sure the Sipgate/Pirelli
: version has no limitations or cut-down facilities in comparison..?
:
: Ivor
:
: sucks in breath I'm about to find out, as my my phone's due to be
: delivered on Wednesday. I've checked the user manual for both
: 'models' and they're identical. Any significant difference though,
: and back it trots to Dusseldorf.
:
: I'll report back.

Please do, very interested so far.

Ivor

If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over to
http://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/ and just leave your sip addy.