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BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust



 
 
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Old November 18th 08, 07:54 PM posted to uk.telecom,uk.telecom.broadband
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Default BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust

BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust
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Would you allow your post to be opened to improve the quality of junk
mail you receive?
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That's the kind of thing BT want to do with your Internet connection.
They are partnering with a company called Phorm to intercept, read and
analyse your web browsing so that they can use that information to choose
which advertisements to show you. BT are calling this scheme “Webwise”.

Surely this can't happen?
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It's already happening. Since October 2008 BT have been interrupting
selected home broadband users' web browsing and proposing Webwise to them
as part of a trial of the scheme. This follows earlier trials in 2006
and again in 2007 when they intercepted and read Internet activity from
tens of thousands of their broadband users, without ever asking for their
consent.

How does it work?
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If you say yes to the Webwise invitation, an identifier is placed on your
computer. Webwise associates this with groups of interests which
correspond to advertising campaigns. BT and Phorm claim that this
information about you is anonymous.
If you say no to the Webwise invitation, Webwise writes a file to your
computer to indicate that you have opted out. But everything you do on
the web still passes through their interception equipment.

What are the risks?
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You have to trust that BT will keep all personally identifiable
information - names, addresses, postcodes, detailed interests - secure.
Yet for several months to October 2008, BT Forums leaked names and email
addresses of BT account holders who weren't even active forum users.
You have to trust Phorm's systems to work in the way they have promised.
Yet Phorm were formerly known as 121media, and their products were
blacklisted by at least three anti-virus companies.
You have to trust that BT will only intercept and read your web activity
in the way they have promised. Yet a month into the current trial, a
Webwise invitation was issued to a PlusNet user, even though BT had
stated that PlusNet was excluded from the trial.
You have to trust BT that they will not use the equipment which intercepts
your web activity to change data that you send to websites. Yet during
trials of the technology in 2006, data was altered between users and the
websites they were visiting.

Who loses out?
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If you accept BT's Webwise invitation . . .
BT's Webwise invitation web page does not tell you that if you say “yes”
then almost everything you do on the Internet from then on will be
intercepted and read. Nor do BT check if it's you, one of your children,
or a visitor who has given consent. And once opted in, even your
children using the Internet for their homework may have their data read
and profiled.
If you refuse BT's Webwise invitation . . .
Everything you do on the Web will still pass through the equipment to be
used for intercepting and reading the activity of users who decide to opt
into the trial. This increases risks to the privacy, security and
integrity of your web activity.
If you run a website . . .
Everything on your website, together with private communications with your
users, may be exploited to profile and identify your visitors. This will
be used to promote your competitors' products. You will not be paid a
licence or royalty fee. BT say that exploiting material in this way is
covered by implied consent, and that putting a notice on a website is not
sufficient to overturn that implied licence.

Can they really do this ?
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In the US, Congress has halted the deployment of all similar schemes and
a class action has started against the Internet Service Providers who
trialled them.
In the EU, the Commission is currently investigating why the UK
Government does not appear to be enforcing communications privacy laws.
In the UK, the senior vice-president of Orange's online advertising
division says “Privacy is in our DNA, so we need to be honest and clear
about what we are doing. We have decided not to be in Phorm because of
that...”
And the chief executive of Virgin Media has said that “Our next initiative
probably won't be with the Phorms of the world.” Yet BT are persisting
with their Webwise trial.

What can I do?
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If you are a BT home broadband user, write to BT and complain:

Mr Ian Livingston,
BT Chief Executive,
81 Newgate Street,
London, EC1A 7AJ.

If you want advice on moving from BT, visit www.getmymaccode.com.

Visit your MP at a local surgery and ask them to make their
opposition to BT Webwise and Phorm public and unequivocal.

Sign the 10 Downing Street petition
at http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ispphorm/

And please tell your friends.

For more information:
www.inphormationdesk.org, www.badphorm.co.uk and www.nodpi.org
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Old November 18th 08, 07:58 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom
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Default BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust

But we knew all that - apart from the illiterate petition that is badly
worded and is easily slithered out of.

And you don't even have the confidence to give a real name.
--
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

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Old November 19th 08, 10:56 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom
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Default BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust

Some of us did not already know that

BUT some of us dont care on the same basis as i dont have
the slightest objection to CCTV , national identity schemes
etc ..... that being that if you aint doing anything wrong
then there likely more chance of you winning the lottery than
any information being collected being used against you

If you are a decent law abiding citzen you have little to fear


"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
But we knew all that - apart from the illiterate petition that is badly
worded and is easily slithered out of.

And you don't even have the confidence to give a real name.
--
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org



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Old November 19th 08, 12:47 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom
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Default BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust

Espaceman wrote:
Some of us did not already know that

BUT some of us dont care on the same basis as i dont have
the slightest objection to CCTV , national identity schemes
etc ..... that being that if you aint doing anything wrong
then there likely more chance of you winning the lottery than
any information being collected being used against you

If you are a decent law abiding citzen you have little to fear


There are none so blind as those who will not see ....

Fear - or not - depends on :

- Who defines "Wrong". This year's "Right" may not be next year's one.
Ask anyone who lived in East Germany under the Stasi.

- The assumption that ID schemes and centralised citizen databases are
run by people who are all professional and honest.

- What our politicans (local as well as national) will do to you when
they have the information on which way YOU voted.

- What your insurers will do when they discover you have been searching
medical websites on diabetes (for example).

- And so on, and on, and on.

John


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Old November 19th 08, 01:00 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom
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Default BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust

In article ,
"Espaceman" writes:
If you are a decent law abiding citzen you have little to fear


The innocent have nothing to hide? The implication of that is that you
trust, entirely, everyone in authority over you for the rest of your life
not to misuse any of the information any of them collect about you. That's
a courageous point of view, to say the least.
--
SAm.
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Old November 19th 08, 02:30 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom,alt.usenet.kooks
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Default BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust

Espaceman wrote:
Some of us did not already know that

BUT some of us dont care on the same basis as i dont have
the slightest objection to CCTV , national identity schemes
etc ..... that being that if you aint doing anything wrong
then there likely more chance of you winning the lottery than
any information being collected being used against you

If you are a decent law abiding citzen you have little to fear


"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
But we knew all that - apart from the illiterate petition that is badly
worded and is easily slithered out of.

And you don't even have the confidence to give a real name.


And that's why you're a ****ing idiot.
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Old November 19th 08, 03:39 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom
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Default BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:47:58 +0000, John Livingston
wrote:

snip

- What our politicans (local as well as national) will do to you when
they have the information on which way YOU voted.

- What your insurers will do when they discover you have been searching
medical websites on diabetes (for example).

- And so on, and on, and on.


Counter action explained on this website:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
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Old November 19th 08, 03:41 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom,alt.usenet.kooks
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Default BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:30:07 +0000, Cork Soaker
wrote:

immature child's outburst

Why aren't you at school today?
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Old November 19th 08, 04:42 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.support.boy-lovers
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Default BT, Webwise and Phorm: A question of trust

Emil Tiades wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:30:07 +0000, Cork Soaker
wrote:

immature child's outburst

Why aren't you at school today?


Because you keep hanging around trying to pick up kids, you stupid
little bitch.
 




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