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Old December 15th 08, 02:12 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Christopher Quigley
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I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.

The line checker at http://www.adslchecker.bt.com said "it is VERY
UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
the service that we can supply is 512k max".

Can we get ADSL or not?
  #2  
Old December 15th 08, 02:59 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Ato_Zee
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A broadband connection would allow good quality video
and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.


A broadband connection of adequate speed for
streaming video. What are the cost constraints?
Some tests have been done with video over
cellphone
---quote---
With the cell connection, the audio became a little
more clipped and dropped in and out occasionally,
but it was still tolerable. The program seems to
give the audio a higher priority than the video
--as it should: While slightly jerky video is
acceptable, jumpy, clipped audio is very
irritating.
---unquote---
Speeds and quality should improve with
HPSA rollout.
You could of course save to a hard drive,
store and forward over a slow link.
Good quality requires bandwidth, real time
quality, even more bandwidth. Can work
out expensive, but tolerable if funded
by a public body, university, research grant,
etc.
--quote---
To learn more about research and underwater
explorations of Loch Ness, go to
www.lochness.com/loch-ness-project.htm
Our video streaming partner is Camstream,
specialists in streaming webcams
---unquote---
  #3  
Old December 15th 08, 03:01 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Gordon Henderson
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Default ADSL availability

In article ,
Christopher Quigley wrote:
I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.

The line checker at http://www.adslchecker.bt.com said "it is VERY
UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
the service that we can supply is 512k max".

Can we get ADSL or not?


Maybe.

It's a marginal line, however you do have a choice of several ISPs to
choose from. Depending on funds, etc. it might be worthhile getting the
phone line installed, then trying for ADSL by phoning them in-turn and
seeing if they think they can do better than a BT reseller...

But without a postcode & the real number it's almost impossible to give
a properly accurate answer...

Gordon
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Old December 15th 08, 03:16 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Graham J
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"Gordon Henderson" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Christopher Quigley wrote:
I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.

The line checker at http://www.adslchecker.bt.com said "it is VERY
UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
the service that we can supply is 512k max".

Can we get ADSL or not?


Maybe.

It's a marginal line, however you do have a choice of several ISPs to
choose from. Depending on funds, etc. it might be worthhile getting the
phone line installed, then trying for ADSL by phoning them in-turn and
seeing if they think they can do better than a BT reseller...

But without a postcode & the real number it's almost impossible to give
a properly accurate answer...



Andrews and Arnold will supply the line and the ADSL service, for a fee.
You could ask them about the position if they can't get an ADSL service to
work properly. Would they for example take the line away without charge, if
ADSL isn't possible?

--
Graham J


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Old December 15th 08, 03:54 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
alexd
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Graham J wrote:

Andrews and Arnold will supply the line and the ADSL service, for a fee.
You could ask them about the position if they can't get an ADSL service to
work properly. Would they for example take the line away without charge,
if ADSL isn't possible?


Can't see why they would, as they will still be charged by BT.

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Old December 15th 08, 04:01 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Christopher Quigley
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On 15 Dec, 14:59, "Ato_Zee" wrote:
A broadband connection would allow good quality video
and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.


A broadband connection of adequate speed for
streaming video. What are the cost constraints?


At present the budget for the entire project is 3000. We expect to
have two cameras, one in the hide for a wide view of the bird colony
and another in a nest, with video from one of the cameras streamed at
any one time and recordings made as required.
  #7  
Old December 15th 08, 04:02 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
alexd
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Default ADSL availability

Christopher Quigley wrote:

I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.


Does it need to be viewable remotely in real time? If not there are some IP
cameras that will write to a networked drive. You could put a NAS with a
large amount of storage in there with it. Failing that, if you've got line
of sight to somewhere where you can get a decent ADSL signal, you could
install a point-to-point wireless link.

The line checker at http://www.adslchecker.bt.com said "it is VERY
UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
service due to the very long length of your telephone line"


However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
the service that we can supply is 512k max".

Can we get ADSL or not?


The cynic in me says, the BT web site is not on commission, but 'someone
from BT Business Sales' is, so I know which one I'd believe.

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  #8  
Old December 15th 08, 04:09 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Christopher Quigley
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Default ADSL availability

On 15 Dec, 15:01, Gordon Henderson wrote:
In article ,
Christopher Quigley wrote:





I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.


The line checker athttp://www.adslchecker.bt.comsaid "it is VERY
UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
the service that we can supply is 512k max".


Can we get ADSL or not?


Maybe.

It's a marginal line, however you do have a choice of several ISPs to
choose from. Depending on funds, etc. it might be worthhile getting the
phone line installed, then trying for ADSL by phoning them in-turn and
seeing if they think they can do better than a BT reseller...

But without a postcode & the real number it's almost impossible to give
a properly accurate answer...


The postcode of the building with the number I gave is TS27 4BL, if
that helps. It's not very far from the hide.

  #9  
Old December 15th 08, 04:16 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Gordon Henderson
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Default ADSL availability

In article ,
Christopher Quigley wrote:
On 15 Dec, 15:01, Gordon Henderson wrote:
In article

,
Christopher Quigley wrote:





I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.


The line checker athttp://www.adslchecker.bt.comsaid "it is VERY
UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
the service that we can supply is 512k max".


Can we get ADSL or not?


Maybe.

It's a marginal line, however you do have a choice of several ISPs to
choose from. Depending on funds, etc. it might be worthhile getting the
phone line installed, then trying for ADSL by phoning them in-turn and
seeing if they think they can do better than a BT reseller...

But without a postcode & the real number it's almost impossible to give
a properly accurate answer...


The postcode of the building with the number I gave is TS27 4BL, if
that helps. It's not very far from the hide.


It's still marginal )-:

You really are right on the edge.

256Kbps will support a single camera streaming at a moderate resolution
(I get very acceptable results at 320x210 H263 at 15fps using about
160Kb/sec - that's with a video phone) But if you want higher resolution
you'll very probably need to locally store it and upload it later.

Oddly enough the Entanet checker has suggested 512Kb/sec though. (I was
using the Sam knows one earlier)

I'd probably suggest it's worth it to get a phone line installed -
I'm not sure if you can give BT hints that it'll be used for ADSL to
hopefully make sure it's a "nice" line or not these days though.... Maybe
tea and biscuits to the linesmn might help him make sure it's punched
in securely...

Gordon
  #10  
Old December 15th 08, 05:11 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Ato_Zee
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There is a bird hide
where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
to achieve this.


If you are installing mains electricity, and a telephone line, it
implies a dig, think of putting in fibre.
RJ45 to fibre and back is straightforward.
Problem with streaming ADSL is the upstream link being
the slow one.
If line of sight there are several wireless options to
where you can get a better speed.
You can rent or buy microwave modules, the
round things you see on many mobile masts,
hospital roofs, etc.
There are high gain antennas for routers and
PC's the Hawking range comes to mind.
 




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