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Infinity installation on master socket or not?



 
 
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Old August 23rd 11, 04:26 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Bob
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Default Infinity installation on master socket or not?

A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she lives in
a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the study on the
third floor.

At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket in
the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place. She
definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and would
rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle floors. So
the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity hub/router into the
master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub, be plugged into an
extension socket?

And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't an
option.

Any ideas?

Cheers.

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Old August 23rd 11, 05:07 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
PlusNet Support Team
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Default Infinity installation on master socket or not?

On 23/08/2011 16:26, Bob wrote:
A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she lives
in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the study
on the third floor.

At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
be plugged into an extension socket?

And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't an
option.

Any ideas?


If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
master socket there.

--
|Bob Pullen Broadband Solutions for
|Support Home & Business @
|Plusnet Plc. www.plus.net
+--------------- twitter.com/plusnet ----------------
  #3  
Old August 23rd 11, 05:11 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Bob
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Default Infinity installation on master socket or not?

A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she lives
in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the study
on the third floor.

At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
be plugged into an extension socket?

And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't an
option.

Any ideas?


If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
master socket there.

-------------------------

Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly because
of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension socket like the
existing router/hub?

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Old August 23rd 11, 05:21 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Andrew Benham
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Default Infinity installation on master socket or not?

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:53 +0100, Bob wrote:

A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she
lives in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the
study on the third floor.

At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
be plugged into an extension socket?

And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't
an option.

Any ideas?


If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
master socket there.

-------------------------

Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly
because of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension
socket like the existing router/hub?


Nope, the VDSL modem has to be plugged into the master socket. BTO will
install a new frontplate on the NTE5 master socket which filters the
VDSL signal from the other phone sockets.

Your colleague could have the VDSL modem and the router installed on the
ground floor and use Wi-Fi....
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Old August 23rd 11, 08:02 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
The Natural Philosopher
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Default Infinity installation on master socket or not?

Bob wrote:
A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she lives
in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the study
on the third floor.

At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
be plugged into an extension socket?

And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't an
option.

Any i

should be OK, although the degradation on 20Mbps signal is a lot higher
running it round extension wiring, than a stock ADSL.



Cheers.

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Old August 23rd 11, 08:03 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
The Natural Philosopher
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Default Infinity installation on master socket or not?

Andrew Benham wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:53 +0100, Bob wrote:

A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she
lives in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the
study on the third floor.

At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
be plugged into an extension socket?

And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't
an option.

Any ideas?

If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
master socket there.

-------------------------

Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly
because of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension
socket like the existing router/hub?


Nope, the VDSL modem has to be plugged into the master socket. BTO will
install a new frontplate on the NTE5 master socket which filters the
VDSL signal from the other phone sockets.


well the answer is to use the existing extension wiring to transfer the
master to the upstairs point.


Your colleague could have the VDSL modem and the router installed on the
ground floor and use Wi-Fi....

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Old August 23rd 11, 11:47 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Graham J
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Default Infinity installation on master socket or not?

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andrew Benham wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:53 +0100, Bob wrote:

A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she
lives in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the
study on the third floor.

At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
be plugged into an extension socket?

And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't
an option.

Any ideas?
If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
master socket there.

-------------------------

Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly
because of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension
socket like the existing router/hub?


Nope, the VDSL modem has to be plugged into the master socket. BTO will
install a new frontplate on the NTE5 master socket which filters the
VDSL signal from the other phone sockets.


well the answer is to use the existing extension wiring to transfer the
master to the upstairs point.


The difficulty with this is that the existing extension wiring might not
carry the signal reliably, so relocating the master to the 3rd floor
would not work. However, Openreach should be able to relocate the
master socket to the 3rd floor and feed it directly from the existing
dropwire - depending of course on where it comes into the property.

The existing etension wiring can then be used to carry the voice signal
to a phone on the ground floor, if desired.

-- Graham J

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Old August 24th 11, 07:58 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
PlusNet Support Team
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Default Infinity installation on master socket or not?

On 23/08/2011 20:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andrew Benham wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:53 +0100, Bob wrote:

A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she
lives in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the
study on the third floor.

At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
be plugged into an extension socket?

And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't
an option.

Any ideas?
If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
master socket there.

-------------------------

Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly
because of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension
socket like the existing router/hub?


Nope, the VDSL modem has to be plugged into the master socket. BTO will
install a new frontplate on the NTE5 master socket which filters the
VDSL signal from the other phone sockets.


well the answer is to use the existing extension wiring to transfer the
master to the upstairs point.


This is what I asked an engineer to do with a recent fibre install
although admittedly the extension from the master socket in the hallway
only travelled about 15 metres to an adjacent room.

--
|Bob Pullen Broadband Solutions for
|Support Home & Business @
|Plusnet Plc. www.plus.net
+--------------- twitter.com/plusnet ----------------
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Old August 24th 11, 10:24 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
The Natural Philosopher
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Default Infinity installation on master socket or not?

Graham J wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andrew Benham wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:53 +0100, Bob wrote:

A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she
lives in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and
the
study on the third floor.

At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the
place.
She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor,
and
would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
be plugged into an extension socket?

And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't
an option.

Any ideas?
If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
master socket there.

-------------------------

Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly
because of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension
socket like the existing router/hub?

Nope, the VDSL modem has to be plugged into the master socket. BTO will
install a new frontplate on the NTE5 master socket which filters the
VDSL signal from the other phone sockets.


well the answer is to use the existing extension wiring to transfer the
master to the upstairs point.


The difficulty with this is that the existing extension wiring might not
carry the signal reliably, so relocating the master to the 3rd floor
would not work. However, Openreach should be able to relocate the
master socket to the 3rd floor and feed it directly from the existing
dropwire - depending of course on where it comes into the property.

The existing etension wiring can then be used to carry the voice signal
to a phone on the ground floor, if desired.

-- Graham J

Its VDSL isn't it? extension wiring should be able to carry that.

It does amount to relocating the master, I agree.
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Old August 24th 11, 11:33 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Denis McMahon
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Default Infinity installation on master socket or not?

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:03:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

well the answer is to use the existing extension wiring to transfer the
master to the upstairs point.


You would then need an additional cable run to feed any downstairs
sockets.

With NT style demarcation, you should not have consumer side and network
side pairs in the same sheath.

Rgds

Denis McMahon
 




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