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Old March 16th 13, 01:43 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Scott
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21798829

I see nearly half the spam comes from 20 ISPs. Would it be possible
simply to block these ISP via the spam filter?
  #2  
Old March 16th 13, 02:04 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Stephen Wolstenholme
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:43:33 +0000, Scott
wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21798829

I see nearly half the spam comes from 20 ISPs. Would it be possible
simply to block these ISP via the spam filter?


Which spam filter?

Steve

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Old March 16th 13, 02:21 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Scott
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:04:22 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:43:33 +0000, Scott
wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21798829

I see nearly half the spam comes from 20 ISPs. Would it be possible
simply to block these ISP via the spam filter?


Which spam filter?

Either Microsoft Outlook or Norton Internet Security.
  #4  
Old March 16th 13, 03:23 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Davey
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:43:33 +0000
Scott wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21798829

I see nearly half the spam comes from 20 ISPs. Would it be possible
simply to block these ISP via the spam filter?


That is what at&t did (still do?) in the US. Unfortunately, lots of
perfectly innocent people used those same ISPs, and the first thing you
knew about their blacklisting of an ISP was that someone who had sent
you a message got so annoyed waiting for your reply that he contacted
you by some other method, asking why you had not replied to his message
to you. But because his ISP had been blacklisted, you had never received
his message in the first place, and so the whole system resulted in
droves of customers leaving at&t.
I suffered from this, I never received a load of messages from my
accountant, and lost a sum of money as a result.
--
Davey.
  #5  
Old March 16th 13, 03:28 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Scott
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:23:01 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:43:33 +0000
Scott wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21798829

I see nearly half the spam comes from 20 ISPs. Would it be possible
simply to block these ISP via the spam filter?


That is what at&t did (still do?) in the US. Unfortunately, lots of
perfectly innocent people used those same ISPs, and the first thing you
knew about their blacklisting of an ISP was that someone who had sent
you a message got so annoyed waiting for your reply that he contacted
you by some other method, asking why you had not replied to his message
to you. But because his ISP had been blacklisted, you had never received
his message in the first place, and so the whole system resulted in
droves of customers leaving at&t.
I suffered from this, I never received a load of messages from my
accountant, and lost a sum of money as a result.


If there are only 20 'dodgy' ISPs out of 42,000 apparently
concentrated in India, Vietnam, Brazil and Nigeria, statistically it
must be very unlikely that any reputable email would come from one of
these ISPs. In fact, if my accountant used one of these ISPs I would
change accountants.
  #6  
Old March 16th 13, 05:12 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Davey
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:28:51 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:23:01 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:43:33 +0000
Scott wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21798829

I see nearly half the spam comes from 20 ISPs. Would it be
possible simply to block these ISP via the spam filter?


That is what at&t did (still do?) in the US. Unfortunately, lots of
perfectly innocent people used those same ISPs, and the first thing
you knew about their blacklisting of an ISP was that someone who had
sent you a message got so annoyed waiting for your reply that he
contacted you by some other method, asking why you had not replied
to his message to you. But because his ISP had been blacklisted, you
had never received his message in the first place, and so the whole
system resulted in droves of customers leaving at&t.
I suffered from this, I never received a load of messages from my
accountant, and lost a sum of money as a result.


If there are only 20 'dodgy' ISPs out of 42,000 apparently
concentrated in India, Vietnam, Brazil and Nigeria, statistically it
must be very unlikely that any reputable email would come from one of
these ISPs.


There will also be plenty of perfectly legitimate users of these ISPs.
Don't forget that, unlike here in the UK, you can't always choose your
ISP. In the US, near to Detroit, my only possible one was at&t, who
provided my 'phone line. The ability to choose between companies such
as BT, Zen, Plusnet, TalkTalk etc just was not there. I could have gone
with Comcast, who provided my cable TV signal, but they were a bunch of
crooks anyway.
Somebody who just wants to stay in contact with friends and family
would also be cut off if the ISP were to be blacklisted.
I am just trying to show that cutting off whole ISPs will also punish
the innocent.

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  #7  
Old March 16th 13, 06:11 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
The Natural Philosopher
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On 16/03/13 16:12, Davey wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:28:51 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:23:01 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:43:33 +0000
Scott wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21798829

I see nearly half the spam comes from 20 ISPs. Would it be
possible simply to block these ISP via the spam filter?

That is what at&t did (still do?) in the US. Unfortunately, lots of
perfectly innocent people used those same ISPs, and the first thing
you knew about their blacklisting of an ISP was that someone who had
sent you a message got so annoyed waiting for your reply that he
contacted you by some other method, asking why you had not replied
to his message to you. But because his ISP had been blacklisted, you
had never received his message in the first place, and so the whole
system resulted in droves of customers leaving at&t.
I suffered from this, I never received a load of messages from my
accountant, and lost a sum of money as a result.


If there are only 20 'dodgy' ISPs out of 42,000 apparently
concentrated in India, Vietnam, Brazil and Nigeria, statistically it
must be very unlikely that any reputable email would come from one of
these ISPs.


There will also be plenty of perfectly legitimate users of these ISPs.
Don't forget that, unlike here in the UK, you can't always choose your
ISP. In the US, near to Detroit, my only possible one was at&t, who
provided my 'phone line. The ability to choose between companies such
as BT, Zen, Plusnet, TalkTalk etc just was not there. I could have gone
with Comcast, who provided my cable TV signal, but they were a bunch of
crooks anyway.


biggest spammer in my box is google mail.

any prat can create an account fire off 1000 emails and vanish..

Somebody who just wants to stay in contact with friends and family
would also be cut off if the ISP were to be blacklisted.
I am just trying to show that cutting off whole ISPs will also punish
the innocent.



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(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

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Old March 16th 13, 06:47 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
George Weston
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On 16/03/2013 17:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/13 16:12, Davey wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:28:51 +0000
Scott wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:23:01 +0000, Davey
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:43:33 +0000
Scott wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21798829

I see nearly half the spam comes from 20 ISPs. Would it be
possible simply to block these ISP via the spam filter?

That is what at&t did (still do?) in the US. Unfortunately, lots of
perfectly innocent people used those same ISPs, and the first thing
you knew about their blacklisting of an ISP was that someone who had
sent you a message got so annoyed waiting for your reply that he
contacted you by some other method, asking why you had not replied
to his message to you. But because his ISP had been blacklisted, you
had never received his message in the first place, and so the whole
system resulted in droves of customers leaving at&t.
I suffered from this, I never received a load of messages from my
accountant, and lost a sum of money as a result.

If there are only 20 'dodgy' ISPs out of 42,000 apparently
concentrated in India, Vietnam, Brazil and Nigeria, statistically it
must be very unlikely that any reputable email would come from one of
these ISPs.


There will also be plenty of perfectly legitimate users of these ISPs.
Don't forget that, unlike here in the UK, you can't always choose your
ISP. In the US, near to Detroit, my only possible one was at&t, who
provided my 'phone line. The ability to choose between companies such
as BT, Zen, Plusnet, TalkTalk etc just was not there. I could have gone
with Comcast, who provided my cable TV signal, but they were a bunch of
crooks anyway.


biggest spammer in my box is google mail.

any prat can create an account fire off 1000 emails and vanish..

Somebody who just wants to stay in contact with friends and family
would also be cut off if the ISP were to be blacklisted.
I am just trying to show that cutting off whole ISPs will also punish
the innocent.



And yet, paradoxically, Googlemail/Gmail has probably one of the best
incoming spam-filters built-in.
Go figure...

George
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Old March 16th 13, 07:35 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
tg
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"Scott" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:04:22 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:43:33 +0000, Scott
wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21798829

I see nearly half the spam comes from 20 ISPs. Would it be possible
simply to block these ISP via the spam filter?


Which spam filter?

Either Microsoft Outlook or Norton Internet Security.


waste of time.
the only real way to block spam is at the mail server, not at your pc.

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Old March 16th 13, 07:55 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
The Natural Philosopher
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On 16/03/13 18:35, tg wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:04:22 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:43:33 +0000, Scott
wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21798829

I see nearly half the spam comes from 20 ISPs. Would it be possible
simply to block these ISP via the spam filter?

Which spam filter?

Either Microsoft Outlook or Norton Internet Security.


waste of time.
the only real way to block spam is at the mail server, not at your pc.


And that is tricky.

you can block by spambot IP address and lots of spam does get blocked
that way.

But if you set up a gmail account, no one is going to block gmail, and
most spam is not about expecting a reply, its about directing you to a
malicious website.

You cant rely on originating IP address either, because valid users can
and will send from the same internet cafe as spammers.

Neither can you rely on sender address, because that is so easily forged.

Really your only defence is to simply mark each one that does get
through as spam, so that at least that temporary address will be junked out.

If getting rid of spam were that easy we would have done it years ago...

Ultimately the best answer is to have many e-mail addresses, and only
release your main one to friends. And hope they don't get virused up.

If you need one for a transaction create a new one and delete it as soon
as you have finished.



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(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

 




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