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FTTC when super close to exchange?



 
 
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Old July 31st 13, 06:02 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default FTTC when super close to exchange?

Hi Folks.
Looks like FTTC has been put forward as scheduled 1/09/13 which is good
however I'm wondering whether my proximity to the exchange will screw
things up? the actual line length between building and exchange is
around 200m which is brilliant for ADSL2+ with download of 20Mbps but
there doesn't appear to be any old-style green cabinets in the area and
as far as I'm aware the lines all group together at the top of a pole
then drop down and go under the road back to the exchange.

Anyone come across this scenario before? Is there a chance being too
close to the exchange means I can't get FTTC when it's in the area?

Cheers
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Old July 31st 13, 06:31 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default FTTC when super close to exchange?

On 31/07/13 17:02, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
Hi Folks.
Looks like FTTC has been put forward as scheduled 1/09/13 which is good
however I'm wondering whether my proximity to the exchange will screw
things up? the actual line length between building and exchange is
around 200m which is brilliant for ADSL2+ with download of 20Mbps but
there doesn't appear to be any old-style green cabinets in the area and
as far as I'm aware the lines all group together at the top of a pole
then drop down and go under the road back to the exchange.

Anyone come across this scenario before? Is there a chance being too
close to the exchange means I can't get FTTC when it's in the area?

Cheers
[email protected]

I am going to make a probably rash assumption that the ALSO put the guts
of a green cabinet INSIDE the exchange for 'extremely local' customers,
i.e. there is a dslam equivalent in there that they will use to serve a
500 meter radius.

After all FTTC is simply a way to extend fibre backhaul closer to the
end user. The last 200m is till a form of DSL AIUI

Yup. found a tekky dokky. VDSL2 is up to 100Mbps and the range extends
to a couple of hundred meters at that speed over single twisted pair. a
little speed loss up to 300 meters than it really starts to plummet,
at 1km its down to 30Mbps..

So if BT play the smart card, they simply put a VDSL2 DSLAM in the
exchange to handle the 20 odd customers less than 300m away.

Of course with BT, that's a big IF.

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Old July 31st 13, 06:42 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default FTTC when super close to exchange?

On 31/07/2013 17:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 31/07/13 17:02, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:


Of course with BT, that's a big IF.


:¬)
Thanks TNP.

Be interesting to find out what gives.
Download speed isn't an issue as 20Mbps is ample. What I'd really like
though is the "close to" 10Mbps up stream like wot I have at home to
improve speed of my home-work VPN as 1Mbps of ADSL2+ can get a little
laggy using VNC.

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Old July 31st 13, 07:28 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 31/07/13 17:42, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
On 31/07/2013 17:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 31/07/13 17:02, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
Of course with BT, that's a big IF.

:¬)
Thanks TNP.

Be interesting to find out what gives.
Download speed isn't an issue as 20Mbps is ample. What I'd really like
though is the "close to" 10Mbps up stream like wot I have at home to
improve speed of my home-work VPN as 1Mbps of ADSL2+ can get a little
laggy using VNC.

you should be so lucky. stuck on 5megs down 376k* up here, and it is
pretty ****y NFS mounting my (very) remote server over that.

But I thought that FTTC was 100Mbps symmetric? or do BT in their
Infinite-y stupidity go 16Mbps up?


*what I actually get post packet header overhead.

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Old July 31st 13, 07:48 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default FTTC when super close to exchange?


"www.GymRatZ.co.uk" wrote in message
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Hi Folks.
Looks like FTTC has been put forward as scheduled 1/09/13 which is good
however I'm wondering whether my proximity to the exchange will screw
things up? the actual line length between building and exchange is
around 200m which is brilliant for ADSL2+ with download of 20Mbps but
there doesn't appear to be any old-style green cabinets in the area and
as far as I'm aware the lines all group together at the top of a pole
then drop down and go under the road back to the exchange.

Anyone come across this scenario before? Is there a chance being too
close to the exchange means I can't get FTTC when it's in the area?


So far you are indeed correct, that, of course, doesn't mean that it will
stay like that for ever

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Old July 31st 13, 08:13 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default FTTC when super close to exchange?

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:31:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Looks like FTTC has been put forward as scheduled 1/09/13 which is good
however I'm wondering whether my proximity to the exchange will screw
things up? the actual line length between building and exchange is
around 200m which is brilliant for ADSL2+ with download of 20Mbps but
there doesn't appear to be any old-style green cabinets in the area and
as far as I'm aware the lines all group together at the top of a pole
then drop down and go under the road back to the exchange.

Anyone come across this scenario before? Is there a chance being too
close to the exchange means I can't get FTTC when it's in the area?

Cheers
[email protected]

I am going to make a probably rash assumption that the ALSO put the guts
of a green cabinet INSIDE the exchange for 'extremely local' customers,
i.e. there is a dslam equivalent in there that they will use to serve a
500 meter radius.


No currently they don't, FTTC can only be provided to customers with
cabinets. Last I heard they were looking at ways to provide it to
directly connected customers.

I'm directly connected but we are stuck on MAX from 20CN and I'm close
enough to get 8128k sync. I'm not too worried about what BT do since
I'm going to have to move so that HS2 can go through my lounge.

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Old August 1st 13, 11:07 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default FTTC when super close to exchange?

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:28:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 31/07/13 17:42, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
On 31/07/2013 17:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 31/07/13 17:02, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
Of course with BT, that's a big IF.

:¬)
Thanks TNP.

Be interesting to find out what gives.
Download speed isn't an issue as 20Mbps is ample. What I'd really like
though is the "close to" 10Mbps up stream like wot I have at home to
improve speed of my home-work VPN as 1Mbps of ADSL2+ can get a little
laggy using VNC.

you should be so lucky. stuck on 5megs down 376k* up here, and it is
pretty ****y NFS mounting my (very) remote server over that.

But I thought that FTTC was 100Mbps symmetric? or do BT in their
Infinite-y stupidity go 16Mbps up?


IIRC it's 40/10 or 80/20. I get about 40/10 on the 80/20 version.
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Old August 1st 13, 12:17 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default FTTC when super close to exchange?

On 01/08/2013 10:07, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:28:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher


IIRC it's 40/10 or 80/20. I get about 40/10 on the 80/20 version.



@home I get 50/10 on the 80/20 I guess you gotta be real close to the
box to get near the upper limit.

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Old August 1st 13, 03:25 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default FTTC when super close to exchange?

www.GymRatZ.co.uk has brought this to us :
Hi Folks.
Looks like FTTC has been put forward as scheduled 1/09/13 which is good
however I'm wondering whether my proximity to the exchange will screw
things up? the actual line length between building and exchange is
around 200m which is brilliant for ADSL2+ with download of 20Mbps but
there doesn't appear to be any old-style green cabinets in the area and
as far as I'm aware the lines all group together at the top of a pole
then drop down and go under the road back to the exchange.

Anyone come across this scenario before? Is there a chance being too
close to the exchange means I can't get FTTC when it's in the area?

Cheers
[email protected]


I'm a BT cable jointer and also a union rep. for the Communication
Workers Union. Our office is in the grounds of Telephone House and the
Telephone Exchange and no, we can't get BT Infinity (or any other fibre
product from anyone) because we're fed directly just like you are.


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Old August 1st 13, 04:37 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default FTTC when super close to exchange?

On 31/07/13 19:13, Rodney Pont wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:31:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Looks like FTTC has been put forward as scheduled 1/09/13 which is good
however I'm wondering whether my proximity to the exchange will screw
things up? the actual line length between building and exchange is
around 200m which is brilliant for ADSL2+ with download of 20Mbps but
there doesn't appear to be any old-style green cabinets in the area and
as far as I'm aware the lines all group together at the top of a pole
then drop down and go under the road back to the exchange.

Anyone come across this scenario before? Is there a chance being too
close to the exchange means I can't get FTTC when it's in the area?

Cheers
[email protected]

I am going to make a probably rash assumption that the ALSO put the guts
of a green cabinet INSIDE the exchange for 'extremely local' customers,
i.e. there is a dslam equivalent in there that they will use to serve a
500 meter radius.

No currently they don't, FTTC can only be provided to customers with
cabinets. Last I heard they were looking at ways to provide it to
directly connected customers.

I'm directly connected but we are stuck on MAX from 20CN and I'm close
enough to get 8128k sync. I'm not too worried about what BT do since
I'm going to have to move so that HS2 can go through my lounge.

Useful information. I did muse that the way BT works anything
'different' no matter how technically simple and feasible 'just wouldn't
happen'

For example ADLS repeateer fiully weatherproof and powered off the line
voltage are cheap and would get broadband to many who simply can't get
it now. But BT have never seen fit to deploy them.


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