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Old May 7th 14, 08:13 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
The Natural Philosopher
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...m_isp_alleges/

Worth a read if you are interested in the technical and commercial issues.

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Old May 7th 14, 10:31 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On Wed, 07 May 2014 08:13:00 +0100
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...m_isp_alleges/

Worth a read if you are interested in the technical and commercial
issues.


When we lived in Michigan, Comcast (mentioned there) was our only Cable
TV supplier. They were the most unfriendly, unresponsive service company
we ever dealt with. Apart from a thieving insurance company, that is.
Our 'city' government had to keep on calling Comcast in to remind them
of the terms of the franchise deal they had signed up to, and they made
them adhere to those terms, but it was an ongoing battle.
They were specialists of the 'bait and switch' deals for getting people
to use them as their Broadband supplier.

I would be happy to read that they had been fined, or whatever, for bad
business practices.

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Old May 7th 14, 08:46 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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The Natural Philosopher (for it is he) wrote:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...m_isp_alleges/

Worth a read if you are interested in the technical and commercial issues.


Not sure if any of this applies to the UK. The reason Comcast don't like
Level3 is because Level3 carry Netflix's traffic - this means that the ratio
of send:receive traffic between Comcast and Level3 is so far away from 1:1
that it's not really peering any more, but Level3 want to treat it like it
is [ie not pay for it]. I am puzzled that an article about Comcast, Netflix,
peering and Level3 doesn't mention any of this.

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Old May 8th 14, 11:52 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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In article , alexd
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Not sure if any of this applies to the UK. The reason Comcast don't like
Level3 is because Level3 carry Netflix's traffic - this means that the ratio
of send:receive traffic between Comcast and Level3 is so far away from 1:1
that it's not really peering any more, but Level3 want to treat it like it
is


It's tied in with the current 'net neutrality' row over the pond.

We had a similar issue here some years ago when BBC iPlayer began to take
off and some ISPs complained, saying the BBC should contribute to the cost
of carrying the additional traffic.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08...n_isps_level3/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04...ld_isp_threat/

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e6d0e9d0-4...0779fd2ac.html

http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...7/iplayer.isps

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-dispute-over-
iPlayer-costs.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06...layer_comment/

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Old May 8th 14, 12:00 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...m_isp_alleges/

Worth a read if you are interested in the technical and commercial issues.


My US colleagues are often quite envious of the broadband we have here.
Most of them get no choice of provider, and internet connectivity with
a wide range of problems, as you might expect where there's virtually
no competition.

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Old May 8th 14, 12:03 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 08/05/14 12:00, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...m_isp_alleges/

Worth a read if you are interested in the technical and commercial issues.


My US colleagues are often quite envious of the broadband we have here.
Most of them get no choice of provider, and internet connectivity with
a wide range of problems, as you might expect where there's virtually
no competition.

Britain is actually near the top of the 'league of nations' in terms of
penetration and speed of broadband. Streets ahead of Germany..

Not sure we aren't No 1. in terms of E-shopping as well.



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Old May 8th 14, 12:48 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 08/05/2014 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/05/14 12:00, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...m_isp_alleges/


Worth a read if you are interested in the technical and commercial
issues.


My US colleagues are often quite envious of the broadband we have here.
Most of them get no choice of provider, and internet connectivity with
a wide range of problems, as you might expect where there's virtually
no competition.

Britain is actually near the top of the 'league of nations' in terms of
penetration and speed of broadband. Streets ahead of Germany..

Not sure we aren't No 1. in terms of E-shopping as well.



True - but try telling that to my neighbours, many of whom are
struggling along with download speeds of around 1Mbps.
I'm quite chuffed to be getting nearly 3Mbps.
And no plans for fibre in this neck of the woods.
Furthermore, because fibre has become a national priority, ADSL2
provision seems to have been quietly killed off
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Old May 8th 14, 02:35 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 08/05/14 12:48, George Weston wrote:
On 08/05/2014 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/05/14 12:00, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...m_isp_alleges/



Worth a read if you are interested in the technical and commercial
issues.

My US colleagues are often quite envious of the broadband we have here.
Most of them get no choice of provider, and internet connectivity with
a wide range of problems, as you might expect where there's virtually
no competition.

Britain is actually near the top of the 'league of nations' in terms of
penetration and speed of broadband. Streets ahead of Germany..

Not sure we aren't No 1. in terms of E-shopping as well.



True - but try telling that to my neighbours, many of whom are
struggling along with download speeds of around 1Mbps.
I'm quite chuffed to be getting nearly 3Mbps.
And no plans for fibre in this neck of the woods.
Furthermore, because fibre has become a national priority, ADSL2
provision seems to have been quietly killed off



Yes.

You can't blame BT for going for the profitable and leaving the
unprofitable.

They will get round to better fibre in due course..

It took me years after everyone else to get ADSL...I had ISDN...for a
few years. Horrensdously expensive,.



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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

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Old May 9th 14, 09:31 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 08/05/2014 14:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/05/14 12:48, George Weston wrote:
On 08/05/2014 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/05/14 12:00, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...m_isp_alleges/




Worth a read if you are interested in the technical and commercial
issues.

My US colleagues are often quite envious of the broadband we have here.
Most of them get no choice of provider, and internet connectivity with
a wide range of problems, as you might expect where there's virtually
no competition.

Britain is actually near the top of the 'league of nations' in terms of
penetration and speed of broadband. Streets ahead of Germany..


Smaller densely populated countries like Belgium, Netherlands, Hong
Kong, Japan and Korea must be fairly high up the list.

Not sure we aren't No 1. in terms of E-shopping as well.


I think that is correct.

True - but try telling that to my neighbours, many of whom are
struggling along with download speeds of around 1Mbps.
I'm quite chuffed to be getting nearly 3Mbps.
And no plans for fibre in this neck of the woods.
Furthermore, because fibre has become a national priority, ADSL2
provision seems to have been quietly killed off



Yes.

You can't blame BT for going for the profitable and leaving the
unprofitable.


You can blame BDUK for making such a monumental cock up of giving BT big
subsidies to cherry pick the most profitable rural areas and even to
facilitate delivery to wipe out local scale microwave initiatives.

They will get round to better fibre in due course..

It took me years after everyone else to get ADSL...I had ISDN...for a
few years. Horrensdously expensive,.


But actually very reliable solid 128k bonded. I had it in Belgium.

There is a village down the road where bonded ISDN with compression
would be faster than the poxy barely working ADSL service they sometimes
get when the cables and junction boxes are not waterlogged.

I was speaking on the phone last night to someone so afflicted and the
noise level on their POTS circuit would come and go at a level that was
severe enough to disrupt communication. Not surprisingly their internet
connection is hopeless. Annoyingly their ISP will do nothing about it.

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Old May 9th 14, 09:38 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
The Natural Philosopher
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On 09/05/14 09:31, Martin Brown wrote:
I was speaking on the phone last night to someone so afflicted and the
noise level on their POTS circuit would come and go at a level that was
severe enough to disrupt communication. Not surprisingly their internet
connection is hopeless. Annoyingly their ISP will do nothing about it.


CAN do nothing about it..except complain to BT..

The starting point there is to complain about a bad VOICE circuit.



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diminishing number of producers.

 




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