A Broadband and ADSL forum. BroadbanterBanter

Welcome to BroadbanterBanter.

You are currently viewing as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today.

Go Back   Home » BroadbanterBanter forum » Newsgroup Discussions » uk.telecom.broadband (UK broadband)
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

uk.telecom.broadband (UK broadband) (uk.telecom.broadband) Discussion of broadband services, technology and equipment as provided in the UK. Discussions of specific services based on ADSL, cable modems or other broadband technology are also on-topic. Advertising is not allowed.

Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old October 26th 14, 01:47 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc
7
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 139
Default Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
-------------------------------------

This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines
by massive 50% or more.

If they see competitors move into an area they will
drop the price by 50%.

But this is not how discounts are supposed to work
for such a powerful company with total reach across UK!!!

As a big busines with massive reach across then nation
you might be entitled to charging 5% discount for biggest
customers. The difference in the playing field should
not have to be big to fund lavish lifestyles for Bhteee
at the expense of preventing upgrades to a VERY LARGE
number of businesses who could benefit from a 50% cut
in tarriffs and upgrade their lines to compete with
the rest of the world.

Ofcon needs to get off their ass and most of their staff
replaced with more business leaders who have vested
interest in seeing the actual costs and prices that Bhteee
has to deal with every day and setting
the prices with low spread between the volume
customers and smaller customers so that internet and data
services keep up with the rest of the world.

Once companies fall behind in international speeds, its not possible
to repair the damage to lost business and infrastructure.

So Parliament needs to investigate this immediately
and deregulate again.

Empower all municipalities to legally set up their own internet
infrastructure with their own properly run corporations that
boost internet speeds and bring more businesses and wealth into an area.

More real competition needed in telecom industry.
  #2  
Old October 26th 14, 03:20 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc
Bill[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 7
Default Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:47:58 +0000, 7
[email protected] .com wrote:

Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
-------------------------------------

This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines
by massive 50% or more.

Assuming you mean what you say you mean and are complaining about
leased lines used commercially by a single exclusive commercial user
for telex and other wire communications, who still has them?

  #3  
Old October 26th 14, 04:00 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc
Col. Edmund Burke
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 3
Default Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

"Bill" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:47:58 +0000, 7
[email protected] .com wrote:

Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
-------------------------------------

This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines
by massive 50% or more.

Assuming you mean what you say you mean and are complaining about
leased lines used commercially by a single exclusive commercial user
for telex and other wire communications, who still has them?


You mean to say you actually read his ****?
LOL

  #4  
Old October 26th 14, 09:44 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc
7
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 139
Default Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

Bill wrote:


Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
-------------------------------------

This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines
by massive 50% or more.

Assuming


Then you assume wrong.

Leased lines are used by companies to get their broadband and voip
services together without having to pay a lot more for
individual services.

  #5  
Old October 26th 14, 10:54 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc
Bill[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 7
Default Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:44:02 +0000, 7
[email protected] .com wrote:

Bill wrote:


Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
-------------------------------------

This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines
by massive 50% or more.

Assuming


Then you assume wrong.

Leased lines are used by companies to get their broadband and voip
services together without having to pay a lot more for
individual services.


No, that's the 'local loop'

A single twisted pair.

Leased lines are ('were', I checked, they no longer exist in the UK)
four wire circuits used for high speed telex.

Commercial users are either on ADSL or lease a variety of digital
services from ISDN 64 up to 'what speed do you want?', almost all of
which are on fibre these days.
  #6  
Old October 26th 14, 11:02 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc
7
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 139
Default Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

Col. Edmund Burke wrote:


You mean to say you actually read his ****?
LOL


What a fscking internet troll!!!

As you are just an internet troll, you are just going
to have read the original post and weep:

LOL!


Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
-------------------------------------

This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines
by massive 50% or more.

If they see competitors move into an area they will
drop the price by 50%.

But this is not how discounts are supposed to work
for such a powerful company with total reach across UK!!!

As a big busines with massive reach across then nation
you might be entitled to charging 5% discount for biggest
customers. The difference in the playing field should
not have to be big to fund lavish lifestyles for Bhteee
at the expense of preventing upgrades to a VERY LARGE
number of businesses who could benefit from a 50% cut
in tarriffs and upgrade their lines to compete with
the rest of the world.

Ofcon needs to get off their ass and most of their staff
replaced with more business leaders who have vested
interest in seeing the actual costs and prices that Bhteee
has to deal with every day and setting
the prices with low spread between the volume
customers and smaller customers so that internet and data
services keep up with the rest of the world.

Once companies fall behind in international speeds, its not possible
to repair the damage to lost business and infrastructure.

So Parliament needs to investigate this immediately
and deregulate again.

Empower all municipalities to legally set up their own internet
infrastructure with their own properly run corporations that
boost internet speeds and bring more businesses and wealth into an area.

More real competition needed in telecom industry.

  #7  
Old October 26th 14, 11:34 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc
7
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 139
Default Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

Bill wrote:

Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
-------------------------------------

This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines
by massive 50% or more.

Assuming


Then you assume wrong.

Leased lines are used by companies to get their broadband and voip
services together without having to pay a lot more for
individual services.


No, that's the 'local loop'

...
almost all of
which are on fibre these days.


?

So what the fsck do you think is uncontended business broadband?


  #8  
Old October 27th 14, 12:10 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc
Bill[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 7
Default Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 23:34:31 +0000, 7
[email protected] .com wrote:

Bill wrote:

Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
-------------------------------------

This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines
by massive 50% or more.

Assuming

Then you assume wrong.

Leased lines are used by companies to get their broadband and voip
services together without having to pay a lot more for
individual services.


No, that's the 'local loop'

..
almost all of
which are on fibre these days.


?

So what the fsck do you think is uncontended business broadband?


It's a form of ADSL or SDSL that uses direct access into the main
fibre network/backbone rather than the contested form we get for
domestic access.

It leaves the customer site via the local loop.

Obviously you need something like DSLAM or 'fibre to site' to make it
go quickly enough to matter.

People like BT have rooms dedicated to their equipment and under their
control on most large sites so they can offer services like this to
their customers without huge fibre installation charges.

Which means that the domestic customer subsidises fibre installations
for large commercial customers...

  #9  
Old October 27th 14, 08:59 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc
Woody
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 750
Default Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

"Bill" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:44:02 +0000, 7
[email protected] .com
wrote:

Bill wrote:


Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
-------------------------------------

This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased
lines
by massive 50% or more.

Assuming


Then you assume wrong.

Leased lines are used by companies to get their broadband
and voip
services together without having to pay a lot more for
individual services.


No, that's the 'local loop'

A single twisted pair.

Leased lines are ('were', I checked, they no longer exist
in the UK)
four wire circuits used for high speed telex.

Commercial users are either on ADSL or lease a variety of
digital
services from ISDN 64 up to 'what speed do you want?',
almost all of
which are on fibre these days.




Sorry, but private wire ('leased line') circuits do still
exist be they copper pair or analogue over digital (AoD) on
copper pair. How otherwise do you think you local taxi
company or bus service get connection between their control
and the remote radio site? Copper connection is usually four
wires (i.e. uses two pairs) whereas AoD only needs one pair.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com


  #10  
Old October 27th 14, 02:27 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc
Bill[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 7
Default Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:59:26 -0000, "Woody"
wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:44:02 +0000, 7
[email protected] .com
wrote:

Bill wrote:


Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
-------------------------------------

This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased
lines
by massive 50% or more.

Assuming

Then you assume wrong.

Leased lines are used by companies to get their broadband
and voip
services together without having to pay a lot more for
individual services.


No, that's the 'local loop'

A single twisted pair.

Leased lines are ('were', I checked, they no longer exist
in the UK)
four wire circuits used for high speed telex.

Commercial users are either on ADSL or lease a variety of
digital
services from ISDN 64 up to 'what speed do you want?',
almost all of
which are on fibre these days.




Sorry, but private wire ('leased line') circuits do still
exist be they copper pair or analogue over digital (AoD) on
copper pair. How otherwise do you think you local taxi
company or bus service get connection between their control
and the remote radio site? Copper connection is usually four
wires (i.e. uses two pairs) whereas AoD only needs one pair.


I think they're all digital now.

I was under the impression that all the old 'four wire' stuff was out,
but there may well be the odd legacy circuit somewhere. BT aren't an
organisation that rips out stuff that is still earning them money for
no good reason.

I don't think you can buy a new four wire circuit.
 




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
BT and leased lines. Martin Lukasik uk.telecom.broadband (UK broadband) 11 April 25th 06 11:50 PM
Sipgate overcharging? Thomas Rankin uk.telecom.voip (UK VOIP) 15 December 6th 05 11:27 AM
BT$ overcharging again 7 uk.telecom.broadband (UK broadband) 4 November 11th 05 01:30 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.4.0
Copyright 2004-2019 BroadbanterBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.