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![]() "7" wrote in message ... BT (British Telecum) lies about rural broadband ----------------------------------------------- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ural-broadband It claims it wants about a £2000 per household to cable up rural when we already know its less than £250 per household oh we do, do we where does that number come from? And wherever it has come from, this is going to be an average figure skewed downwards by the vast numbers of urban locations It seem perfectly reasonable that attempts just to cable up the most remote rural locations in the county costs 10 times that of the house next to the exchange because fibre doesn't require brick lined tunnels. It might not require it but it's a damned sight easier to upgrade if it is installed that way tim |
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![]() tim... wrote: BT (British Telecum) lies about rural broadband ----------------------------------------------- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ural-broadband It claims it wants about a £2000 per household to cable up rural when we already know its less than £250 per household oh we do, do we where does that number come from? You should have read the rest of the poooost! Fibre does not require brick lined ducts that are leak proof, sewer proof, electric proof because there are no consequences to fibre being dug up unlike copper cables full of electric wires. So you can cut with a giant rotating cutting disc attached to a tractor and drag it - average around a km every 2 days on good days. Average costs of £5k per km. And wherever it has come from, this is going to be an average figure skewed downwards by the vast numbers of urban locations RURAL BROADBAND - the *fscking* RURAL BROADBAND - the thing the *fscking* management trolls in BT (Britisht Telecum) claims it can't cable at a profit which is repeated often by lying offconn to government. Everyone else like B4RN, Hyperoptic, Cityfibre to Gigaclear etc have no problems with cabling fibre at a profit and deliver 1 Gbit symmetric fibre to the rural countryside for install fees below £300 and monthly prices less than £50. It seem perfectly reasonable that attempts just to cable up the most remote rural locations in the county costs 10 times that of the house next to the exchange And you are 1000% wrong. It can be 100k per km in the city while its 5k per km in the countryside. Its about 50 miles of paperwork and invoicing each other for it making no money in the process in the city with the regulations in the city overseen by offconn. Every *fscking* company has complained to offconn about the 50 miles of paperwork for about 5 miles of cabling - but they have done nothing about it - allowing two ducts for example to go down streets, one for VM, one for BT and not sharing by forcing it through rule of law. Time to disband offconn. because fibre doesn't require brick lined tunnels. It might not require it but it's a damned sight easier to upgrade if it is installed that way Not its not. It is at least x20 more expensive. BT (British Telecum) lies about rural broadband ----------------------------------------------- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ural-broadband It claims it wants about a £2000 per household to cable up rural when we already know its less than £250 per household because fibre doesn't require brick lined tunnels. B4RN, CityFibre, Gigaclear, Hyperoptic etc have all done it averaging out around £5K per km rural instead of £100k per km BT / Openroach wants with the aid of offconn liars. Fibre does not require brick lined water sewage electric proofed ducts which is why costs go from £100k per km to £5k per km. Offconn should be dismissed and replaced with pure fibre company executives from B4RN, Cityfibre, Gigaclear, Hyperoptic etc for their plans to do up Rural Broadband, because they already cabled up RURAL BROADBAND at a profit with under £50 per 1 gigabit symmetric lines and under £300 installation charges. Leased Line Market Predatory Pricing by BT DT VM Openroach Offconn ASA et al ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Europe needs to investigate. The UK is mired in a multi-billion predatory pricing scandal that involves BT (British Telecum) DT (Deutche Telecum) VM Openroach Offconn ASA et al all conspired to inflate leased line prices by x10 to x20 prices to British businesses and have run off with loot amounting to billions of tax payer money and UK business's money. Offconn is supposed to be regulator but since it has a revolving doors policy with BT, it is 100% infected and played a major role in facilitating this scandal. Same with ASA which through means unfsckingbelievable have for more than a decade helped the incumbents perpetrate massive Leased Line fraud and predatory pricing by allowing copper cables to be called fibre to allow fake companies to pretend customers are getting fibre when they are getting copper at the expense of pure fibre companies that sell x20 better service for the same price. London Stock Exchange also needs to investigate. The share prices of these cumpanies are somewhere between 10x and 20x inflated through the use of predatory pricing to gather revenue on a completely unsustainable rate to inflate the value of their respective companies. Something like BT is now worth about £1 billion while VM is worth about £200 million conning investors out of some serious amounts of money. The root of the problem are the fibre companies that between them have cabled up 3% of UK with under £50 1 gigabit symmetric fibre which is 20x faster, particularly in the MOST (as sold by Offconn) expensive areas to cable up - RURAL AREAS. Not only have they companies cabled up all of 3% of UK including RURAL AREAS, but they have done so at a profit and at a cheaper price than incumbents like BT VM Openroach that Offconn values as significant players. BT and VM still charge £50 for the same service by splitting it into line rental and internet as if they are two separate things, while fibre companies don't do any such thing. By forcing an investigation into predatory pricing, and levy of fines for past offences to give back to customers what they have been robbed of, we are probably looking at some x30 reduction in stock value for BT VM and other companies that are copper if pure fibre companies are given full and proper access by Offconn, and full and proper access to ALL government funding at the expense of copper if only BT infected Offconn could be removed and replaced with fibre advisers to government who can relay the true costs of fibre and the full benefits of fibre for UK industry to Government instead of the distorted hallucinations sold by BT/VM/Offconn revolving door fraud pitch. BT and Openroach Lies about leased line? ---------------------------------------- BT (British Telecum) with biggest thieving of public purse Deutch Telecum owner of BT following the same corrupt practices as they do in Germany with the least best telecum network in EU, have for years been milking UK plc with fake leased line invoicing. Whenever they sell you a lease line, they claim to be blowing a fibre all the way from the exchange to you. Is this anywhere near true? Highly unlikely - almost all the infrastructure network is fibre. So they just add a splitter or splice a cable from nearest fibre to your premises. They most certainly have not blown a fibre from exchange to your premises, so they are not entitled to invoice you for the short distance that they are cabling you up with. It needs to be crystal clear in the invoice what exactly a site survey has found and what exactly you are being invoiced for otherwise it is fake and fraud, and the management that promotes this as well as all the Offconn trolls that allow this need to all face a judge and explain what it is they do that is different from defrauding the public with bold green lies. The second part of the fraud is that in a pure fibre network, there is nothing to distinguish a broadband connection from a leased line. It is all merely router settings. The bulk of the entire UK infrastructure is fibre and so there is no way to claim that you are being supplied a dedicated leased line. It is mis-selling on a massive fraudulent scale. You are not being sold a dedicated line. What you are being sold is a dedicated bandwidth on a shared fibre optic line. This needs to be clear in the invoicing. Even if you stuck copper equipment at the end of it, (which does not make sense - it is intentionally designed to pull wool over everyone's eyes), you are still duty bound to explain that what you are being sold is not copper, but a fibre modem with a copper service at the other end of it. So you should be able to opt out of not receiving the copper and just stick with the fibre connection directly - which is infinitely cheaper. Again the invoicing needs to make clear exactly what you are paying for, for accounting purposes, and as a customer, you should have the right to refuse the copper equipment and only purchase the fibre modem. In which case, looking through the BT accounts, anyone will be be able to determine a fee of £6000 for installation and £6000 per annum for 100mbits symmetric line is complete rip off - and needs to be paid back to customers. 1. No dedicated line has been run for you 2. No dedicated equipment exists for your line 3. They are all just router settings on a fibre modem network 4. What you paid for was copper at the end of fibre network. Your total install costs should not exceed £250. Your total fibre 'dedicated' 'leased' 'line' is a fcking lie and worth less than £20 a month. If it a 1 gigabit line, the provisioning costs are still £250 per line, and less than £50 a month rental. BT (British Telecum) No Fibre Availability - To The Premises 2020 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Some 2 million people in Paris has FTTP. Sacra Blearghh!!! Only about 800,000 home in entire UK has FTTP and the all been supplied by the likes of Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN pure fibre companies. They can't keep up with demand. In London alone some 8 million people in a concentrated spot for FTTP and offconn will deny them all this?! The fscking retards should be outed. These fibre connections are symmetric 1 gigabit (equal upload and download speed) internet good for uploading big videos and photo albums to friends and winder internet as well as many people use it at the same time watching streaming TV and esports. The majority of youf just use streaming and esports only. They have no care of old formats like ad filled teevee that spends 20 minutes on adverts and 40 minutes programming per hour or stupid ball dribbling spurts like football. Nowadays I press mute on all ads across every media. It ain't gonna work ever no matter what marketing trolls are comforting themselves with because they have exceeded all bounds of tolerance. Its all an annoying grand dad tech dying and dead market with zero interest. In esports you can participate in sport which means high upload speed, or no participation / less effective participation. In streaming TV you got tens of thousands of channels in all languages. While grand dad tech teevee just has looped video with 1 month recycle loops. Wow. You must be brain dead to watch these loops. Despite all these changes none of the incumbents are ready to roll out 1 gbit FTTP by 2020 for under £50 a month because none of them can use even 1% of the infrastructure they commission with their crap ideas about content. Did BT (British Telecum) to VM abuse Connected Voucher Scheme? -------------------------------------------------------------- Up to £3000 per connection was given away by government to the big telecum companies to install their expensive internet data line claiming £100,000 per km fake copper price when it was less than £5k per km actual price with fibre. Firstly, is British Telecum full of British Engineers and British Salesmen? This isn't cricket. Definitely not their cricket pitch. Inflate something by 5% not a bad way to earn a quick buck, but inflate it x20 is corruption, graft, greed and not British. It has to rely on externally supplied push from trolls who don't stand to be prosecuted. At an average cost of £250 per connection with fibre (really it should be less - if including splitters use to connect up blocks of houses), the benefit should have gone to 400,000 businesses. Instead it went to 40,000 businesses - a clear rip off with an average price of £2500 per install. This money needs to be returned and people prosecuted for theft from public purse. Alternatively, they can atone for their sins by installing next 800,000 premises at a discounted connection fee of £100 per premises with 1 gbit symmetric internet, waiting several years to get the full cost refund (if there is need for such a thing) by charging under £50 per month for the service as punishment. Fscking Openroach plans more copper krone tool master bation nation ------------------------------------------------------------------- Waat the fsck is going on inside Bhtee Openroach now??? It has long been decided by telecum industry that everything will now be fibre with no electric cables in the ground and no repeaters. Instead of £100,000 per km, the cost is now £5k per km. Instead of taking months and years to lay down ducts, a small team can lay down a km every two to 3 days. And instead of laying down a few cables, you can lay down 192 core at $1 per meter, to thousands between villages and towns without repeaters. Small 5G modems are coming in and they are going to be inserted into every other lamp post and connected directly by fibre to the main building where all the fibres arrive. No more telecum masts, no more telecum poles, no more loss of coverage in villages to underground. All the routers are custom made with FPGA on 100Gbit back bone. But Bhtee Offconn Openroach plan is to continue installing more copper and muck it all up and continue to charge £6k per 1Gbit line while 3% of the UK is already on 1gbit fibre for under £50 a month. At this rate, no one from Bhtee, Offconn, VM, Openroach will be offering 1gbit symmetric (equal upload and download speed) internet service as standard by 2020. So waat the fsck did they do with all that public money given to them? Did they all collectively lie to government and to the tax payers? Gigabit fibreoptic routers easy to make with FPGA boards -------------------------------------------------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Yw4sa8Re8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddJKA0SBQxs You can make your own routers for fibre optics with open source designs and software or pay £30,000 per router. If you make own routers, then you just hire an FPGA engineer and 6 months later you got your own designs and own networks to scale rapidly. Scaling the fibre optic business is the most important thing because it costs less than £250 per household to install fibre optics so if you are charging around £50 per month for gigabit symmetric fibre link, then its paid for within 6 months and you can move on to pure profit in no time. Even a micro trench 100mm wide can push thousands of fibres through a route and so its no longer necessary to worry about how to connect up villages and towns because the repeaters can be between 20km to 50km away. And if you bring it into a building, the optical splitters can split a beam into 64 separate beams for $80. 192 core cables about $1 per meter: https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...83937.html?s=p So easily cover a large estate in no time. It makes you wonder how Bhtee VM and Offconn all lied to government to get far more funding than they need for the few services they installed to service a 180 Billion pound market comprised of traders and companies in the UK that rely on the Internet to be working every day to earn a day's work and pay wages. The whole bhtee, offconn, openroach, VM, etc infrastructure needs to be dismantled and sold off and replaced with pure fibre companies. They already cable up 3% of UK, and only they need the real funding to get the real work done. Did Bhtee and Offconn lie to government about fibre prices? ----------------------------------------------------------- The beelllions earmarked for broadband, particularly rural broadband doesn't make sense. Did Bhtee and Offconn and the big telco's collude and lie to UK Government? It costs average less than £250 per household to wire it with symmetric 1 gigabit fibre and if you make your own FPGA routers as big telecom companies must, then the entire infrastructure costs for providing the data transport are pennies. So for 26 million households, the entire bill for cabling it up is 6.5 billion pounds. At £50 per household, the entire thing is paid for in 6 months. But the government has earmarked billions for telecom and have gotten nothing out of it so far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fibre ducts are typically 100mm wide a laid may be 200mm below the surface in minimal dig and install operation and a small team can cover several kilometers in a week because fibre does not carry electricity and repeaters can be 20km to 50km away. Easily less than £5000 per km and averaging out to around £100 to £250 per household. This is nothing like laying a copper cable, where a duct needs to be erected to protect the electric cable, and repeaters are needed every few hundred meters costing £100,000 per km. So did Bhtee and Offconn and the big telco's collude and lie to UK Government about laying the fibre network by using copper [email protected]???????????????? Obviously the fscking retards at offconn to Bhtee and encumbants like VM have all colluded and lied systematically to government and to rural communities about the true costs of cabling up everyone with gigabit symmetric fibre. Particularly in rural communities where they are sticking up poles illegally to hold them up from getting fibre which doesn't need poles, and doesn't need repeaters and kilometers of it can be laid in a week by small teams digging 100mm wide trenches 200mm deep. Paris gets FTTH to all its 2 million inhabitants - Nothing for London --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sacra bleau! Paris now has over 2 million FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL (equal upload and download speed) but London has NOTHING. A big thank you goes out to *FSCKTARDS* at offconn for being the vehicle for this. We need names in front of TV instead fcktards going into hiding and get out there explaining why Londoners (all 7 million of them, more than 10% of UK population concentrated into one place) cannot have their FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL connection with equal upload and download speeds starting at £30 per month to £50 per month while 3% of the country already has it from the likes of B4RN, Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, FibreCity etc., and other countries and big cities like Paris that are competitors have fully cabled up FTTH. In Sweden you got 30 providers per city while there are zero providers in London. So why can't these fsktards at offconn resign and let some other authority be set up to that are pro-fibre and let Londoners have fibre to the home? It pushes up the value of London by at leas 2 billion pounds. And each and every city can add the same value now that we are brex****ting and have to have this technology to be competitive. All it requires is some trolls to be spanked and sacked in Offconn, and replaced with pro-fibre interest commercial managers and bob is your uncle - value of UK goes up by at least 50 billion when 25 cities and towns get cabled up with fibre. Bhtee VM accidentally leak their FTTP equipment prices ------------------------------------------------------ Not. So I'm setting up BhteeVM_Leeks_Web****e.com web with retail price list for these items (wholesale cheaper): 64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1...476975506.html fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fibe...793795646.html cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In...647289225.html sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000...732857639.html gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-...710717277.html The best way to build routers is to hire FPGA engineers and build the routers yourself from FPGA and scale up rapidly by building copies of own boards. Otherwise have to purchase say a Cisco router upward £30,000. Instead pay FPGA engineer £60,000 for 6 months to create as many FPGA boards as you need for routers. Examples of what can be done: https://www.xes-inc.com/products/fpgas/xpedite2402/ https://www.broadcom.com/optical_fpga |
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![]() On 31/07/2017 08:21, tim... wrote: "7" wrote in message ... BT (British Telecum) lies about rural broadband ----------------------------------------------- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ural-broadband It claims it wants about a £2000 per household to cable up rural when we already know its less than £250 per household oh we do, do we where does that number come from? And wherever it has come from, this is going to be an average figure skewed downwards by the vast numbers of urban locations It seem perfectly reasonable that attempts just to cable up the most remote rural locations in the county costs 10 times that of the house next to the exchange because fibre doesn't require brick lined tunnels. It might not require it but it's a damned sight easier to upgrade if it is installed that way tim You can be sure that those rural customers will never see any sign of the fibre broadband suppliers that Mr 7 keeps going on about! |
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