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![]() On 19/12/2017 16:31, S Viemeister wrote: On 12/19/2017 10:55 AM, Java Jive wrote: on my walks around the area's roads, I see Tesco vans almost every day, including even Saturdays & Sundays, which will pass within half-a-mile of my house, but won't deliver to it, so I have to make a 100 mile round trip to get my weekly or fortnightly shop from Dingwall.* I've rung them, complained, and explained that I would be quite happy to pay them a bit extra to come a bit further, but they won't do it, and instead suggested that I corrupt their system by giving a postcode in Lairg of a friend, and putting my postcode on the delivery instructions! Interesting - does that actually work? Still being relatively new to the area, I don't really know anybody in Lairg, and certainly not well enough to be able to impose on them by asking to use their postcode. However, one of the local crofters has told me that this is precisely what his wife does, and, at the time of our conversation a year or two back, it was working. It's important to understand, though, that we are actually quite close to Lairg, about 6 miles north of it, and the vans already serve postcodes close by. It seems the drivers are quite happy to bend the rules, obey the delivery instructions, and come that bit further. It's a ridiculous situation, actually, devised by someone, or more likely some*thing* in the form of a computer programme, who hasn't looked at a map of the area. Shinness is community of 60 houses (counting only those actually currently inhabited, there are others that are being constructed, others that are mobile homes/static caravans or even cottages which are let on a holiday basis, and a few lying empty and awaiting buyers) strung out over about five miles of the A838 along the lower part of the north-eastern shore of Lock Shin, which is a long glacial gash dividing central Sutherland roughly SE to NW, the houses nearest Lairg being only about four miles from it. Beyond Shinness there is nothing much until you reach other small villages many miles beyond. Anyone who actually looked at a map and decided to serve the Lairg area would naturally include Shinness as one of it's outlier centres of population (Shinness phone subscribers are about 10% of all Lairg), but because, as I suppose, these things are all calculated by computers, there's an arbitrary cut-off point between us and Lairg, thus disenfranchising us from receiving the same service as neighbours quite close by - in short, a postcode lottery. |
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![]() Java Jive wrote: You always come up with this "I'm alright Jack" style of posting, and I always shoot it down in flames Though presumably you had some awareness of what speeds would be like before you moved to Scotland? |
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![]() On 19/12/2017 17:23, Andy Burns wrote: Java Jive wrote: You always come up with this "I'm alright Jack" style of posting, and I always shoot it down in flames Though presumably you had some awareness of what speeds would be like before you moved to Scotland? Speeds were about a third of what I'd got previously via ADSL in a big city, which, considering I'm so far out, I thought reasonable at the time. The problem is that the world is constantly moving on, but the service that we get doesn't move on with it, so in real terms we are always falling behind. |
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![]() "Java Jive" wrote: [...] As I've posted before, average page weight increases by tens of percent every year, which means that a low broadband speed that could just about cope a decade or so ago now provides a dismal and frustrating experience. This is not because of anything a rural householder has done, but because the incompetent jerks who write the pages only ever test them on their own system with high-speed access - if it works on their manager's PC, it's good to go. Not only that, but more processing is done client-side rather than server-side these days. In other words, javascript running on your PC. I generally surf with it disabled and it's no surprise that many sites only partially render or just show blank pages. Obviously they'd rather offload the cost of generating their DHTML onto us. Anyway, they are still "incompetent jerks", as you say because they'll be using script libraries from which they may only use a portion of the functionality but the whole package will still have to be downloaded by the browser. It may seem strange to those of us brought up in a time before the era of mass electronic communication that it should now be thought a necessity of life, but the practical reality of modern life is that it is so. Unfortunately, it does seem to be the case. |
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![]() On 19/12/2017 15:55, Java Jive wrote: On 18/12/2017 23:57, MB wrote: On 18/12/2017 16:18, Java Jive wrote: The problem is that most of the money spent upgrading the system nationwide is spent on improving speeds for those who already get workable speeds. No, as long as there are safe alternatives.* I have mains water, but my waste goes into a septic tank. Are they still allowed, a friend had one but was told it had to be replaced by what is virtually a small sewage plant under his car park. Septic tanks are everywhere in Scotland, even in some villages, such a Kyleakin on the Isle Of Skye. It was the cost I was thinking of.* Live outside a town and you will have pay the cost of your own water supply and probably have it tested every year. You often see pipes coming down from mountain streams. You will need also to pay the cost of your own sewage plant. Nonsense, but you do have to pay occasionally to have a tanker come and empty a septic tank* -* some do it every year, others like myself every few years, ISTR it last cost about £250. But if you make enough noise someone will claim that she should be provided with high speed broadband at the same cost as someone who had fibre running near his house. You always come up with this "I'm alright Jack" style of posting, and I always shoot it down in flames, yet you never seem to learn ... A friend moved into a rural house, there was either something wrong with the septic tank or it was because he was a new resident but he had to replace it with what is effectively a small sewage plant. You can hear the motor running, blowing air through the sewage like a big sewage plant. A recent TV series showed the council man going around rural properties testing their water system. It is a requirement in Scotland if you rent the house, take paying guests or are selling the house. I think it is then an annual check. Another friend used to get water from a stream but not sure if that would be allowed now. He checked it every time he went there, a walk up the hill looking for dead animals. |
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![]() On 19/12/2017 17:46, Java Jive wrote: On 19/12/2017 17:23, Andy Burns wrote: Java Jive wrote: You always come up with this "I'm alright Jack" style of posting, and I always shoot it down in flames Though presumably you had some awareness of what speeds would be like before you moved to Scotland? Speeds were about a third of what I'd got previously via ADSL in a big city, which, considering I'm so far out, I thought reasonable at the time.* The problem is that the world is constantly moving on, but the service that we get doesn't move on with it, so in real terms we are always falling behind. When I got BT Infinity I sent the figures to a friend in the US. I was getting three times the speed he gets and he lives in a small town just outside San Francisco, almost Silicon Valley. |
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![]() On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 22:38:02 +0000, MB wrote: A friend moved into a rural house, there was either something wrong with the septic tank or it was because he was a new resident but he had to replace it with what is effectively a small sewage plant. You can hear the motor running, blowing air through the sewage like a big sewage plant. In England there is no requirement to replace legacy private sewage systems, unless the system is working so badly that it is causing pollution to a watercourse. I expect your freind was conned by an excessively cautious surveyor or sewage treatment plant salesman. Properly designed, installed and maintained septic tank systems are a perfectly acceptable way of treating sewage, in fact they are almost certainly a lot better than package treatment plants,. Of course, you need a lot of ground for the leach field, so a new build is unlikely to have enough land for an adequate leach field, so a package treatment plant has become the norm for most off mains new builds, aided no doubt by the profitability for the plant makers and the ease of installation for the installers. A recent TV series showed the council man going around rural properties testing their water system. It is a requirement in Scotland if you rent the house, take paying guests or are selling the house. I think it is then an annual check. Another friend used to get water from a stream but not sure if that would be allowed now. He checked it every time he went there, a walk up the hill looking for dead animals. There is almost no control over water supplies to private houses with single family occupancy. Years ago local councils had a duty to test private water supplies, which ours woud do about every 5 years. Now that duty seems to have lapsed and it is up to the house owner to get the supply checked, if they wish to, but there is no compulsion to do so. Of course supplies to commercial premises, or supplies to more than one household are much more rigorously controlled. AFAIK there is no restriction (apart from the 20,000l a day abstraction limit) on taking a water supply from a stream. Ours comes from a stream, although it's taken about 100M from the spring source. |
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![]() On 19/12/2017 22:42, MB wrote: On 19/12/2017 17:46, Java Jive wrote: Speeds were about a third of what I'd got previously via ADSL in a big city, which, considering I'm so far out, I thought reasonable at the time.* The problem is that the world is constantly moving on, but the service that we get doesn't move on with it, so in real terms we are always falling behind. When I got BT Infinity I sent the figures to a friend in the US.* I was getting three times the speed he gets and he lives in a small town just outside San Francisco, almost Silicon Valley. But I bet he gets a much better speed than the 1.4Mbps I get, which is about the norm around here, though one person get 2Mbps (I was getting that for a while), while others can't get ADSL at all. |
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![]() On 20/12/2017 09:26, Bill Taylor wrote: On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 22:38:02 +0000, MB wrote: A friend moved into a rural house, there was either something wrong with the septic tank or it was because he was a new resident but he had to replace it with what is effectively a small sewage plant. You can hear the motor running, blowing air through the sewage like a big sewage plant. In England there is no requirement to replace legacy private sewage systems, unless the system is working so badly that it is causing pollution to a watercourse. I expect your freind was conned by an excessively cautious surveyor or sewage treatment plant salesman. Properly designed, installed and maintained septic tank systems are a perfectly acceptable way of treating sewage, in fact they are almost certainly a lot better than package treatment plants,. Of course, you need a lot of ground for the leach field, so a new build is unlikely to have enough land for an adequate leach field, so a package treatment plant has become the norm for most off mains new builds, aided no doubt by the profitability for the plant makers and the ease of installation for the installers. A recent TV series showed the council man going around rural properties testing their water system. It is a requirement in Scotland if you rent the house, take paying guests or are selling the house. I think it is then an annual check. Another friend used to get water from a stream but not sure if that would be allowed now. He checked it every time he went there, a walk up the hill looking for dead animals. There is almost no control over water supplies to private houses with single family occupancy. Years ago local councils had a duty to test private water supplies, which ours woud do about every 5 years. Now that duty seems to have lapsed and it is up to the house owner to get the supply checked, if they wish to, but there is no compulsion to do so. Of course supplies to commercial premises, or supplies to more than one household are much more rigorously controlled. AFAIK there is no restriction (apart from the 20,000l a day abstraction limit) on taking a water supply from a stream. Ours comes from a stream, although it's taken about 100M from the spring source. My friend is not the type to be too easily conned! There is a stream runs down past the house so might have been concern about leaks into that. The water people could not find where his house gets its supply from! It has mains water but the rooute of the pipe is a mystery (forgot to ask if he had tried dowsing). My other friend lived a couple miles up a track from the main road. He got his water from a stream that ran down past his house. He often had walkers asking if they could fill their water bottle up before heading into the hills. He had great difficulty in getting them to understand that the water out of his tap was exactly the same as the water in the stream! We had roof water at a lot of sites at work at one time, the big problem was dead birds though we were not supposed to drink it. One site had the water running off the rood into a trough around the building then down into an underground tank. One major design flaw in that method! |
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![]() On 20/12/2017 16:28, Java Jive wrote: On 19/12/2017 22:42, MB wrote: On 19/12/2017 17:46, Java Jive wrote: Speeds were about a third of what I'd got previously via ADSL in a big city, which, considering I'm so far out, I thought reasonable at the time.* The problem is that the world is constantly moving on, but the service that we get doesn't move on with it, so in real terms we are always falling behind. When I got BT Infinity I sent the figures to a friend in the US.* I was getting three times the speed he gets and he lives in a small town just outside San Francisco, almost Silicon Valley. US ISPs are pretty dire outside the big cities. But I bet he gets a much better speed than the 1.4Mbps I get, which is about the norm around here, though one person get 2Mbps (I was getting that for a while), while others can't get ADSL at all. Do you have any mobile phone coverage at all? 3/4G networks can work OK as can the various microwave local initiatives. We now have a repeater node in our village hall which will eventually be made available to the entire village that wants it. Hell will freeze over before BT installs any new cable here - they have already cherry picked the marginally profitable populous bits. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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