grinch wrote:

On 31/12/17 21:16, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:34:10 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 30/12/2017 16:19, Bob Eager wrote:
What they said was that they'd rent an IP for £5 a month. And the
reason was that they would be rolling out IPv6 soon and it wouldn't
matter.

It would still matter.
A VPN server that you couldn't connect to unless you had IPv6 would very
much be a second class, not that useful at all, VPN server.

...

Naturally. Hence 'rubbish'!

The reasoning behind this is simple CGNAT will work for most home users
outgoing connections. Then if you complain you cant connect to your
server ,you get " well you are a business users then " and the price is
much higher.


It shouldn't be higher.

It is business fraud to charge one rate for business and another for
private use. All instigate by BT (British Telecum) which insists
there is a difference through trolling in the market place
and lobbying pooliticians.

The cost is still $14 for fibre modem and router cost is $600 per 1U rack.

As far as the routers are concerned, there isn't any difference in the
packets. A heavy domestic user, a light business user, etc cannot physically
mark the packets as different so there is no legal basis on which to
charge filthy amounts of money for different customers.
The rule is you should only charge based on what it cost you to provide.
So heavy users can pay more if they need heavy use.
The router settings easily set to rate limit users without any
physical infrastructure changes.


Why do you think that some ISP's change your outgoing public IP address
,there is no good technical reason assuming they have enough public IP
address for their customers to have at least an IPV4 /32.

They were set up to protect cable cumpanies from 'cord cutters' or
we the people who want to watch TV through internet.

If you got your own IP address, no problems with fully connected
internet TV and also making your own streaming channels that
subtracts their audience.

Now net neutrality to steal bandwidth that you paid for to speed
up their teevee and slow down your own (i.e. we the people) services and
servers.


I do hope the class idiot do not work for Hyperoptic ,to be that
clueless and work in the industry. Mummy and Daddy probably have
Hyperoptic at home.

One last thing while the spirit of the season is still with me please
kill file him then we don't clutter this news group with replys to his
ill informed posts.

Troll!!!

Thin NG is specifically for the well being of broadband users
and discussing how we are getting ripped off is part of it.

On Mon, 1 Jan 2018 13:07:00 +0000, grinch
wrote:

On 31/12/17 21:16, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:34:10 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 30/12/2017 16:19, Bob Eager wrote:
What they said was that they'd rent an IP for £5 a month. And the
reason was that they would be rolling out IPv6 soon and it wouldn't
matter.

It would still matter.
A VPN server that you couldn't connect to unless you had IPv6 would very
much be a second class, not that useful at all, VPN server.

...

Naturally. Hence 'rubbish'!

The reasoning behind this is simple CGNAT will work for most home users
outgoing connections. Then if you complain you cant connect to your
server ,you get " well you are a business users then " and the price is
much higher.

Why do you think that some ISP's change your outgoing public IP address
,there is no good technical reason assuming they have enough public IP
address for their customers to have at least an IPV4 /32.

It is simpler than that.
1 of the biggest costs for any carrier style company is "people time"
which here translates into manual config.

Using DHCP means all the customers get their IP addressing and related
config info from a central server and there is less tinkering needed
with per customer config.

A nice side effect is that
- you get to keep your IP address unless you leave the router turned
off (since DHCP bakes "refresh to current address" into the protocol -
although technically it is dynamic)
- IP addresses get recycled by defult when someone leaves.

I do hope the class idiot do not work for Hyperoptic ,to be that
clueless and work in the industry. Mummy and Daddy probably have
Hyperoptic at home.

One last thing while the spirit of the season is still with me please
kill file him then we don't clutter this news group with replys to his
ill informed posts.

--
Stephen

On Monday, 1 January 2018 13:22:10 UTC, 7 wrote:
grinch wrote:

On 31/12/17 21:16, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:34:10 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 30/12/2017 16:19, Bob Eager wrote:
What they said was that they'd rent an IP for £5 a month. And the
reason was that they would be rolling out IPv6 soon and it wouldn't
matter.

It would still matter.
A VPN server that you couldn't connect to unless you had IPv6 would very
much be a second class, not that useful at all, VPN server.

...

Naturally. Hence 'rubbish'!

The reasoning behind this is simple CGNAT will work for most home users
outgoing connections. Then if you complain you cant connect to your
server ,you get " well you are a business users then " and the price is
much higher.


It shouldn't be higher.

It is business fraud to charge one rate for business and another for
private use. All instigate by BT (British Telecum) which insists
there is a difference through trolling in the market place
and lobbying pooliticians.


So just who is perpetrating this fraud?

I looked up https://www.thinkbroadband.com/packages

This firm Hyperoptic is offering domestic fibre broadband and phone for an attractive £48 per month and free install*.

Same thing for business users is £360pm and £360 install.

"1 Gbps Full Fibre Broadband and phone by Hyperoptic
Special package 1,000Mbps Unlimited Free £48.00 £576.00 [pa]

Business 1 Gbps Fibre Broadband by Hyperoptic
Special package 1,000Mbps Unlimited £360.00 £360.00 £4,680.00 [pa]
"




* don't bother though - there are gotchas when the initial period runs out, for calls and of course they simply can't install where you or I are.

R. Mark Clayton wrote:

On Monday, 1 January 2018 13:22:10 UTC, 7 wrote:
grinch wrote:

On 31/12/17 21:16, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:34:10 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 30/12/2017 16:19, Bob Eager wrote:
What they said was that they'd rent an IP for £5 a month. And the
reason was that they would be rolling out IPv6 soon and it wouldn't
matter.

It would still matter.
A VPN server that you couldn't connect to unless you had IPv6 would
very much be a second class, not that useful at all, VPN server.

...

Naturally. Hence 'rubbish'!

The reasoning behind this is simple CGNAT will work for most home users
outgoing connections. Then if you complain you cant connect to your
server ,you get " well you are a business users then " and the price is
much higher.


It shouldn't be higher.

It is business fraud to charge one rate for business and another for
private use. All instigate by BT (British Telecum) which insists
there is a difference through trolling in the market place
and lobbying pooliticians.


So just who is perpetrating this fraud?

I looked up https://www.thinkbroadband.com/packages


Interesting - a lot of cumpanies are now switching to claiming
to be selling full fibre when they are selling copper local poop.

That leaves Ofcum with a dilema for your list.

Either rename G.Slow to full-fibre or call it full-fibre and
rob consumers out of a lot of moneeey with deceptive marketing.

Me thinks offcum will choose the latter.

They always have to sell BT (British Telecum) local poop copper.


This firm Hyperoptic is offering domestic fibre broadband and phone for an
attractive £48 per month and free install*.

Same thing for business users is £360pm and £360 install.

"1 Gbps Full Fibre Broadband and phone by Hyperoptic
Special package 1,000Mbps Unlimited Free £48.00 £576.00 [pa]

Business 1 Gbps Fibre Broadband by Hyperoptic
Special package 1,000Mbps Unlimited £360.00 £360.00 £4,680.00 [pa]
"




* don't bother though - there are gotchas when the initial period runs
out, for calls and of course they simply can't install where you or I are.

On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 11:36:35 UTC, 7 wrote:
R. Mark Clayton wrote:

On Monday, 1 January 2018 13:22:10 UTC, 7 wrote:
grinch wrote:

On 31/12/17 21:16, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:34:10 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 30/12/2017 16:19, Bob Eager wrote:
What they said was that they'd rent an IP for £5 a month. And the
reason was that they would be rolling out IPv6 soon and it wouldn't
matter.

It would still matter.
A VPN server that you couldn't connect to unless you had IPv6 would
very much be a second class, not that useful at all, VPN server.

...

Naturally. Hence 'rubbish'!

The reasoning behind this is simple CGNAT will work for most home users
outgoing connections. Then if you complain you cant connect to your
server ,you get " well you are a business users then " and the price is
much higher.


It shouldn't be higher.

It is business fraud to charge one rate for business and another for
private use. All instigate by BT (British Telecum) which insists
there is a difference through trolling in the market place
and lobbying pooliticians.


So just who is perpetrating this fraud?

I looked up https://www.thinkbroadband.com/packages


Interesting - a lot of cumpanies are now switching to claiming
to be selling full fibre when they are selling copper local poop.

That leaves Ofcum with a dilema for your list.

Either rename G.Slow to full-fibre or call it full-fibre and
rob consumers out of a lot of moneeey with deceptive marketing.

Me thinks offcum will choose the latter.

They always have to sell BT (British Telecum) local poop copper.

That's as maybe - the last few hundred metres in copper is not fibre all the way, just most of it.



This firm Hyperoptic is offering domestic fibre broadband and phone for an
attractive £48 per month and free install*.

Same thing for business users is £360pm and £360 install.

"1 Gbps Full Fibre Broadband and phone by Hyperoptic
Special package 1,000Mbps Unlimited Free £48.00 £576.00 [pa]

Business 1 Gbps Fibre Broadband by Hyperoptic
Special package 1,000Mbps Unlimited £360.00 £360.00 £4,680.00 [pa]
"


but doesn't this mean Hyperoptic are perpetrating a massive fraud by your own definition?




* don't bother though - there are gotchas when the initial period runs
out, for calls and of course they simply can't install where you or I are.

On 01/01/18 22:35, Stephen wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2018 13:07:00 +0000, grinch
wrote:

On 31/12/17 21:16, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:34:10 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:


Err no, not dhcp


Using DHCP means all the customers get their IP addressing and related
config info from a central server and there is less tinkering needed
with per customer config.

Most of the ISP industry use a radius server/s, but it does similar
things to DHCP . I think it capable of more but I am not sure, read the
below if you are interested.

This assumes that the routers config is given in response to a user-name
and password combination usually called dialling in cisco parlance. BT
don't for instance do this they work on telephone numbers to allocate IP
details.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius_server


A nice side effect is that
- you get to keep your IP address unless you leave the router turned
off (since DHCP bakes "refresh to current address" into the protocol -
although technically it is dynamic)
- IP addresses get recycled by defult when someone leaves.

I do hope the class idiot do not work for Hyperoptic ,to be that
clueless and work in the industry. Mummy and Daddy probably have
Hyperoptic at home.