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Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?



 
 
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Old January 16th 18, 12:03 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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Default Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?

On Sunday, 7 January 2018 12:58:59 UTC, 7 wrote:
Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?
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The answer is 10gbit fibre.


The answer is dark fibre and you stick whatever kit you want at each end...

Oh and you do NOT need 100 cores - just a few (for redundancy).
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Old January 16th 18, 12:56 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?

R. Mark Clayton wrote:


Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?
--------------------------------------------------------------

The answer is 10gbit fibre.


The answer is dark fibre and you stick whatever kit you want at each
end...


That is a better answer if fibre with illegal market
distortion of fibre unbundling being kept back by
a few incumbents were replaced with unbundled fibre
providers.

Oh and you do NOT need 100 cores - just a few (for redundancy).


Yes you do - at 2 a meter, a second cabling exercise costs
a lot more than installing the 2 a meter 100+ core cable.
Going for 1000 or 10,000 cores a lot better because a second
fibre install is astronomical in cost by comparison if you ran out.
A rule of thumb is something like 1 fibre per person in an area
is good enough to manage future expansion.

$1000 cost 6 axis fully automatic fusion splicers with 0.01db
loss easy to order now.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-...734790096.html
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Old January 16th 18, 03:32 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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Default Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?

On Tuesday, 16 January 2018 12:56:36 UTC, 7 wrote:
R. Mark Clayton wrote:


Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?
--------------------------------------------------------------

The answer is 10gbit fibre.


The answer is dark fibre and you stick whatever kit you want at each
end...


That is a better answer if fibre with illegal market
distortion of fibre unbundling being kept back by
a few incumbents were replaced with unbundled fibre
providers.

Oh and you do NOT need 100 cores - just a few (for redundancy).


Yes you do - at 2 a meter, a second cabling exercise costs
a lot more than installing the 2 a meter 100+ core cable.
Going for 1000 or 10,000 cores a lot better because a second
fibre install is astronomical in cost by comparison if you ran out.
A rule of thumb is something like 1 fibre per person in an area
is good enough to manage future expansion.


Ran out of what? You can send Tbps down a single fibre. WTF would one install a hundred strand cable at ten times the price?

If after installation you need more bandwidth you simple put a higher bandwidth switch at each end - NO new fibres.


$1000 cost 6 axis fully automatic fusion splicers with 0.01db
loss easy to order now.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-...734790096.html


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Old January 16th 18, 04:18 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
7[_2_]
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Default Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?

R. Mark Clayton wrote:


Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?
--------------------------------------------------------------

The answer is 10gbit fibre.


The answer is dark fibre and you stick whatever kit you want at each
end...


That is a better answer if fibre with illegal market
distortion of fibre unbundling being kept back by
a few incumbents were replaced with unbundled fibre
providers.

Oh and you do NOT need 100 cores - just a few (for redundancy).


Yes you do - at 2 a meter, a second cabling exercise costs
a lot more than installing the 2 a meter 100+ core cable.
Going for 1000 or 10,000 cores a lot better because a second
fibre install is astronomical in cost by comparison if you ran out.
A rule of thumb is something like 1 fibre per person in an area
is good enough to manage future expansion.


Ran out of what? You can send Tbps down a single fibre. WTF would one
install a hundred strand cable at ten times the price?


Seems you don't understand fibre technology too well.
You need fibre modems of Tbps to make it all work.
A lot cheaper to stick with 1gbit and 10gbit until
the 100gbit comes down in price before moving on to Tbit.
Which means using more fibres. And fibres break.
Resilience needed at every opportunity.
2/m per 100+ core is not the most expensive thing
on the day when cabling. Man power costs and equipment hire per
meter would be a lot higher. I might put a 12 core into
a house, but all the streets would be minimum 100 core,
and if its the only link into a village then 1000 core,
and into a town, then 10,000 core.

Put it this way, you would not catch me installing single core
fibres just because it is 1/10th the price of 2/m 100+ core cable.
That is the least of my costs for the day which you have
been told numerous times. You should stick to reading the original
poosts to stop wasting everyone's time with your daily
rants and keep up to date and to avoid being charged
a fee for second reply.


If after installation you need more bandwidth you simple put a higher
bandwidth switch at each end - NO new fibres.


$1000 cost 6 axis fully automatic fusion splicers with 0.01db
loss easy to order now.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-...734790096.html


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Old January 16th 18, 04:31 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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Default Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?

On Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:18:31 UTC, 7 wrote:
R. Mark Clayton wrote:


Is it better to install 1gbit fibre or 10gbit fibre in UK plc?
--------------------------------------------------------------

The answer is 10gbit fibre.


The answer is dark fibre and you stick whatever kit you want at each
end...

That is a better answer if fibre with illegal market
distortion of fibre unbundling being kept back by
a few incumbents were replaced with unbundled fibre
providers.

Oh and you do NOT need 100 cores - just a few (for redundancy).

Yes you do - at 2 a meter, a second cabling exercise costs
a lot more than installing the 2 a meter 100+ core cable.
Going for 1000 or 10,000 cores a lot better because a second
fibre install is astronomical in cost by comparison if you ran out.
A rule of thumb is something like 1 fibre per person in an area
is good enough to manage future expansion.


Ran out of what? You can send Tbps down a single fibre. WTF would one
install a hundred strand cable at ten times the price?


Seems you don't understand fibre technology too well.
You need fibre modems of Tbps to make it all work.
A lot cheaper to stick with 1gbit and 10gbit until
the 100gbit comes down in price before moving on to Tbit.


Indeed.

Which means using more fibres.


Hardly.

And fibres break.


True which is why there are usually quite a few even in the thinnest.

Resilience needed at every opportunity.


As above.

2/m per 100+ core is not the most expensive thing
on the day when cabling. Man power costs and equipment hire per
meter would be a lot higher. I might put a 12 core into
a house, but all the streets would be minimum 100 core,
and if its the only link into a village then 1000 core,
and into a town, then 10,000 core.


Complete overkill - what speed do BT and VM run their backbone links?


Put it this way, you would not catch me installing single core
fibres just because it is 1/10th the price of 2/m 100+ core cable.
That is the least of my costs for the day which you have
been told numerous times. You should stick to reading the original
poosts to stop wasting everyone's time with your daily
rants and keep up to date and to avoid being charged
a fee for second reply.


If after installation you need more bandwidth you simple put a higher
bandwidth switch at each end - NO new fibres.


$1000 cost 6 axis fully automatic fusion splicers with 0.01db
loss easy to order now.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-...734790096.html


 




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