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Old July 17th 18, 01:37 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc,uk.finance
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Gigabit Fiber- big Demand with 2000 Gaming PCs
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There is no way to *fscking* way is it possible
to spend 2000 on a gaming PC and without
first spending 30 to 50 per month on
symmetric gigabit fiber Internet.

There is no *FSCKING* Symmetric Gigabit Fiber Internet
in London and UK unlike say Paris
thanks to offcum BT (British Telecum)
Openroach and chancellor who turns in for work
handing out 1.5 beelllion to BT to roll out copper
when fiber can be rolled out just as well at 20x cheaper
and 20x faster over the existing copper.

Every fiber company has told the chancellor not to
spend that 1.5 beellion extending copper and
instead spend it on extending fiber.
In fact they even said don't spend the money at
all, because its not needed to roll out gigabit symmetric fiber.

So every *FSCKING* Rich Parent who spent 2000 on a PC
only to be conned out of symmetric gigabit fiber Internet
now have some names to take down and go lecture to.

We need offcum to be removed and replaced with fiber
only regulator that has board members from residents
associations and fiber companies only. No 5G interests
and copper interests and dual interests etc.





Offcum introduces Dark Toilet Tax to replace Dark Fiber Tax
-----------------------------------------------------------

Offcum the stubborn shiite regulator of UK telecum manned
by illiterate trolls who have no idea what 5G, IoT, Digital Service etc
are that originally pushed for Dark Fiber Tax on behalf of
BT (British Telecum, a private corporation) is now
planning to replace it with Dark Toilet Tax.

Its a shiit tax.

Offcum reached notoriety for having introduced the Dark Fiber Tax
and pushed UK down to 35th place

https://www.telecomstechnews.com/new...peed-rankings/

These shiite Offcum regulators turn up for work each day to make
Britain a worse place to live.

The idea of shiite tax started with Window Tax.
It generated revenues for 150 years withstanding all legal challenges.
It has been laughed out of existence but not by Offcum shiite
regulators.

The purpose of a shiite tax is to re-classify all that you own
into assets if you are deriving benefit from it
and then tax those assets for the benefits you receive from owning
those assets.

By taxing those assets, those who don't need those assets will
allow larger investors to buy up those assets and create
bigger entities because the assets are now 'scarce' because
there is a cost associated with ownership.
Just owning one will cost you money and if you
are not paying your taxes, you are committing an offence.

So the idea of Dark Toilet Tax is for investors to build
empire full of shiite. ****triums galore everywhere!!

If you are giving shiite, then investors will take
your shiite and charge you a small fee.

Regulations will be put into place to prevent you making
your own shiite holes. That deprives investors of their
daily shiite and Offcum's plans to consolidate
all shiite holes into mega national shiitriums services
by investors and inward investment.
Offcum will consult with Chancellor on new Dark Toilet Tax
and valuation officers will be in and out of every
toilet to make the job is done.

This job isn't done until Offcum sees a shiit carrying
toobes made of copper are installed in every village.

The reason for this move is it turns out
Dark Fiber is not an asset.
Its just a tool like all other tools.
Dark Fiber tax prevents ownership of fiber as only
big companies (who don't pay this tax any way)
will consolidate fiber.

And plenty of taxes such as VAT
are paid for fiber that is lit when they are lit
which is fair as its now in use, still not an asset,
but a tool for delivery of services.

So Dark Fiber Tax is to be abolished in favour of
Dark Toilet Tax at the request of shiite experts in Offcum.






Offcum has its Blue Peter moment with shiiite flying everywhere
---------------------------------------------------------------


http://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/news/wor...35th%E2%80%8B/

The Blue Peter moment occurred on BBC Live TV when an elephant
realizing it was the only elephant in the room started to
spray shiite in all direction on Live Teevee when live teeveee had
to be watched to get an idea how elephantine shiit spreads in
a small studio on live teevee. I mean this elephant ran
around gave plenty of shiiit and didn't take any of it back.

Fast forward to today, and offcum the shiite regulators of
telecum does the same thing under the spot light.

For years it has been told it is shiite. They come into work each
day and make Britain a worse shiite place to live in than previous day.

The proof is putting Britain in 35th place
below Madagascar an African satellite island.

So Offcum realizing it is the only elephant in the room
that is full of shiite decides to spread some shiiite around.
It gave a press briefing saying it was disappointed with letting
down UK to 35th position.

Last year it was disappointed again, and gave the shiite note about
concerns but this year they are disappointed and claims again
it has (fake) concernes?

Thats it?!

If I am concerned, I usually reach into my
trouser pocket and master bait profusely.

If I am doubly concerned, I fish out my krone tool
as start pulling out cables and connect them
back again master baiting with my krone tool as
fast as I can.

If I am triply comcerned, I would master bait faster
until the krone tool fell off.

So why didn't they fish out their krone tools
after claiming they were concerned and master bait
profusely until their tool fell off?

No point in listening to fake concerns of offcum.
Their staff come into work daily to make UK a worse
place than the previous day they were handed with.

What we need is offcum to be replaced with fiber only regulator.

Only organizations that represent fiber and those
that stand to benefit from fiber roll out may participate.
People with dual interests to represent such as 5G or
copper infrastructure need not apply.


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Old July 18th 18, 05:43 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:37:23 UTC+1, 7 wrote:
Gigabit Fiber- big Demand with 2000 Gaming PCs
-----------------------------------------------

There is no way to *fscking* way is it possible
to spend 2000 on a gaming PC and without
first spending 30 to 50 per month on
symmetric gigabit fiber Internet.


There is a niche market for top end gaming PC's/ Scan, where I coincidentally bought just about all my PC except the MB from, cater to this market (and HMQ).

OTOH even at the highest video rates / resolutions for gaming top end FTTC is probably adequate.

For domestic use FTTP is a solution looking problem.
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Old July 18th 18, 06:14 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:37:23 UTC+1, 7 wrote:
Gigabit Fiber- big Demand with 2000 Gaming PCs
-----------------------------------------------

There is no way to *fscking* way is it possible
to spend 2000 on a gaming PC and without
first spending 30 to 50 per month on
symmetric gigabit fiber Internet.


There is a niche market for top end gaming PC's/ Scan, where I
coincidentally bought just about all my PC except the MB from, cater to
this market (and HMQ).

OTOH even at the highest video rates / resolutions for gaming top end
FTTC is probably adequate.


Video resolution is irrelevant to the bandwidth required for game playing.
All the video is rendered locally. A good ADSL connection is enough for
playing pretty much all games. Latency is the really important aspect for
multiplayer games.
https://haste.net/2017/08/29/myths-t...ctions-gaming/

For players who like to stream their playing via services like twitch, then
bandwidth speed matters more. However, these systems are so well optimised
that the requirements are still quite modest; 40/10 FTTC is sufficient
https://stream.twitch.tv/encoding/

For domestic use FTTP is a solution looking problem.


except in rural locations where properties are so far from the cabinet that
FTTC doesn't help.



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Old July 18th 18, 07:34 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Chris wrote:

R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:37:23 UTC+1, 7 wrote:
Gigabit Fiber- big Demand with 2000 Gaming PCs
-----------------------------------------------

There is no way to *fscking* way is it possible
to spend 2000 on a gaming PC and without
first spending 30 to 50 per month on
symmetric gigabit fiber Internet.


There is a niche market for top end gaming PC's/ Scan,

where I
coincidentally bought just about all my PC except the

MB from, cater to
this market (and HMQ).

OTOH even at the highest video rates / resolutions for

gaming top end
FTTC is probably adequate.


Video resolution is irrelevant to the bandwidth required

for game playing.
All the video is rendered locally. A good ADSL

connection is enough for
playing pretty much all games. Latency is the really

important aspect for
multiplayer games.
https://haste.net/2017/08/29/myths-t...ctions-gaming/


Depends on game. Most games auto rate
down and turn off numerous features when they detect slow
Internet. So why buy a 2000 PC when you don't even know
what you lost with slow
Internet? (Apart from running with a loosing streak.)


For players who like to stream their playing via

services like twitch,
then bandwidth speed matters more. However, these

systems are so well
optimised that the requirements are still quite modest;

40/10 FTTC is
sufficient https://stream.twitch.tv/encoding/

For domestic use FTTP is a solution looking problem.


except in rural locations where properties are so far

from the cabinet
that FTTC doesn't help.


Average kid has 3 gadgets today.
A family of 3 will need at least 3x slow Internet.
Average home will have 50 gadgets and IoT devices
by 2023.
UK 35th and slipping on productivity without Internet.

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Old July 20th 18, 06:48 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:34:08 UTC+1, 7 wrote:
Chris wrote:

R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:37:23 UTC+1, 7 wrote:
Gigabit Fiber- big Demand with 2000 Gaming PCs
-----------------------------------------------

There is no way to *fscking* way is it possible
to spend 2000 on a gaming PC and without
first spending 30 to 50 per month on
symmetric gigabit fiber Internet.

There is a niche market for top end gaming PC's/ Scan,

where I
coincidentally bought just about all my PC except the

MB from, cater to
this market (and HMQ).

OTOH even at the highest video rates / resolutions for

gaming top end
FTTC is probably adequate.


Video resolution is irrelevant to the bandwidth required

for game playing.
All the video is rendered locally. A good ADSL

connection is enough for
playing pretty much all games. Latency is the really

important aspect for
multiplayer games.
https://haste.net/2017/08/29/myths-t...ctions-gaming/


Depends on game. Most games auto rate
down and turn off numerous features when they detect slow
Internet. So why buy a 2000 PC when you don't even know
what you lost with slow
Internet? (Apart from running with a loosing streak.)


For players who like to stream their playing via

services like twitch,
then bandwidth speed matters more. However, these

systems are so well
optimised that the requirements are still quite modest;

40/10 FTTC is
sufficient https://stream.twitch.tv/encoding/

For domestic use FTTP is a solution looking problem.


except in rural locations where properties are so far

from the cabinet
that FTTC doesn't help.


Average kid has 3 gadgets today.


Maybe, but do they play with them all at once?

A family of 3 will need at least 3x slow Internet.


No way.

Average home will have 50 gadgets and IoT devices
by 2023.


Maybe - we have ~15 already, however an IoT fridge is going to emit about one 1kB shopping list a week, not play call of duty 24/7.

UK 35th and slipping on productivity without Internet.


Not really true and already cited.
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Old July 20th 18, 06:52 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:14:12 UTC+1, Chris wrote:
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:37:23 UTC+1, 7 wrote:
Gigabit Fiber- big Demand with 2000 Gaming PCs
-----------------------------------------------

There is no way to *fscking* way is it possible
to spend 2000 on a gaming PC and without
first spending 30 to 50 per month on
symmetric gigabit fiber Internet.


There is a niche market for top end gaming PC's/ Scan, where I
coincidentally bought just about all my PC except the MB from, cater to
this market (and HMQ).

OTOH even at the highest video rates / resolutions for gaming top end
FTTC is probably adequate.


Video resolution is irrelevant to the bandwidth required for game playing..
All the video is rendered locally. A good ADSL connection is enough for
playing pretty much all games. Latency is the really important aspect for
multiplayer games.
https://haste.net/2017/08/29/myths-t...ctions-gaming/

For players who like to stream their playing via services like twitch, then
bandwidth speed matters more. However, these systems are so well optimised
that the requirements are still quite modest; 40/10 FTTC is sufficient
https://stream.twitch.tv/encoding/

For domestic use FTTP is a solution looking problem.


except in rural locations where properties are so far from the cabinet that
FTTC doesn't help.


Maybe, but there will be far cheaper solutions to this problem than laying miles of fibre...

People who choose to live way out in the sticks have to realise that they may not have all the comforts of city living such as mains gas, mains drainage, regular buses and fast broadband.
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Old July 20th 18, 07:40 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 20/07/18 18:52, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

People who choose to live way out in the sticks have to realise that they may not have all the comforts of city living such as mains gas, mains drainage, regular buses and fast broadband.


What about people who live way out in the sticks because they can't
afford to live in the city centre..?

It's perfectly possible to have fast broadband in rural areas, it just
takes a bit of work, see https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b7rsjv (read
the synopsis for the programme).


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Old July 20th 18, 10:52 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 20/07/2018 18:52, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Maybe, but there will be far cheaper solutions to this problem than laying miles of fibre...

People who choose to live way out in the sticks have to realise that they may not have all the comforts of city living such as mains gas, mains drainage, regular buses and fast broadband.


Laying miles of fibre, then putting a little exchange in a box in the
village is probably cheaper than laying miles of multi-core copper.

A lot less prone to theft too.

Andy
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Old July 20th 18, 11:44 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 20/07/2018 19:40, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 20/07/18 18:52, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

People who choose to live way out in the sticks have to realise that
they may not have all the comforts of city living such as mains gas,
mains drainage, regular buses and fast broadband.


What about people who live way out in the sticks because they can't
afford to live in the city centre..?

It's perfectly possible to have fast broadband in rural areas, it just
takes a bit of work, see https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b7rsjv (read
the synopsis for the programme).



It seems to be just broadband that they expect at no extra charge.

If you were operating a company that required large quantities of
electricity or water then you include the costs of upgrading your
supply. Or if you had regular visits from large heavy trucks then you
would make sure the roads could take them.

But there seem many who expect to run a business requiring lots of
broadband bandwidth who expect to be able operate using a domestic
connection.

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Old July 21st 18, 12:14 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On Friday, 20 July 2018 19:40:05 UTC+1, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 20/07/18 18:52, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

People who choose to live way out in the sticks have to realise that they may not have all the comforts of city living such as mains gas, mains drainage, regular buses and fast broadband.


What about people who live way out in the sticks because they can't
afford to live in the city centre..?


Outside London the leafy suburbs are usually more expensive than the city centre.

If you live in London W1 a decent flat will cost you millions, but you will have frequent buses and tubes 24/7. OTOH if you choose to live in say Dagenham you won't and the fares to work [in the city] will be per month.

Housing costs in very rural areas vary widely - some areas are cheap, others like Cornwall or the lakes are exorbitant.


It's perfectly possible to have fast broadband in rural areas, it just
takes a bit of work, see https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b7rsjv (read
the synopsis for the programme).


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