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Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'



 
 
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Old September 9th 19, 11:47 AM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
Java Jive
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Default Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

"Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

Almost 20% of British people are not using the internet, a survey suggests.

The detailed in-home survey of almost 2,000 Britons found that 18%
described themselves as non-users.

The Oxford Internet Institute (OII), which carried out the research,
said people falling into the category tended to be older and poorer than
frequent net users.

The size of the group presented a "dilemma" for any government trying to
reach and support them, said the OII.
Age drop

"Non-users are older, proportionately less well-educated and have lower
incomes," said Dr Grant Blank, survey research fellow at the OII, who
oversaw the project.

Non-users, said Dr Blank, were those who did not go online via any means
- either phone or computer. The proportion of those falling into this
category grew as people aged, he said."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49607061
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Old September 9th 19, 12:20 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Roderick Stewart
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Default Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:47:39 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

"Non-users are older, proportionately less well-educated and have lower
incomes," said Dr Grant Blank, survey research fellow at the OII, who
oversaw the project.

Non-users, said Dr Blank, were those who did not go online via any means
- either phone or computer. The proportion of those falling into this
category grew as people aged, he said."


Don't worry, the proportion of those falling into this category will
eventually reduce as they all die of old age.

In other words, it's a problem (if you call it a problem) that will
eventually solve itself long before any government does.

The real problem is not those who fail to understand the internet, but
a world which increasingly fails to accommodate them. The internet is
a wonderful thing to those who find it useful, but it is easy to
forget that not only the internet but the entire semiconductor
industry that makes it possible have only existed for less than one
human lifetime, so there are plenty of people still alive who can
remember a world that functioned pretty well without any of it.

Rod.
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Old September 9th 19, 03:35 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Java Jive
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Default Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

On 09/09/2019 12:20, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:47:39 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

"Non-users are older, proportionately less well-educated and have lower
incomes," said Dr Grant Blank, survey research fellow at the OII, who
oversaw the project.

Non-users, said Dr Blank, were those who did not go online via any means
- either phone or computer. The proportion of those falling into this
category grew as people aged, he said."


Don't worry, the proportion of those falling into this category will
eventually reduce as they all die of old age.

In other words, it's a problem (if you call it a problem) that will
eventually solve itself long before any government does.

The real problem is not those who fail to understand the internet, but
a world which increasingly fails to accommodate them. The internet is
a wonderful thing to those who find it useful, but it is easy to
forget that not only the internet but the entire semiconductor
industry that makes it possible have only existed for less than one
human lifetime, so there are plenty of people still alive who can
remember a world that functioned pretty well without any of it.


You obviously, and unwisely, didn't bother to read the original article
before commenting:

"""
"Virtually everyone is online before age 50," Dr Blank told the BBC.

After that milestone, he said, there was a "sharp decline" in use of
about 2% a year.

"There are a lot of things about the internet that get less useful as
you get older," he said.

As people's circle of friends and interests shrink they see less and
less reason to spend time online.

[...]

Old-fashioned ways

Earlier versions of the survey found the 50-plus drop-off in net use had
persisted for a long time, said Dr Blank, suggesting it was not tied to
a particular age group that grew up without the net.

Many of those who avoided the net could benefit if they ventured online,
he said. The wide range of good health information might prove useful
for many people in the 18% group.

In addition, he said, the UK government was seeking to move more of its
aid and benefit systems online - many of which were targeted at the
group that shunned the net.

"One of the ironies of this is that people who receive government
support in various ways are people who tend to be older, poorer and less
well-educated and those are exactly the people who are less likely to be
online," he said.

"""
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Old September 9th 19, 04:52 PM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
Scott
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Default Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:47:39 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

"Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

Almost 20% of British people are not using the internet, a survey suggests.

The detailed in-home survey of almost 2,000 Britons found that 18%
described themselves as non-users.

The Oxford Internet Institute (OII), which carried out the research,
said people falling into the category tended to be older and poorer than
frequent net users.

The size of the group presented a "dilemma" for any government trying to
reach and support them, said the OII.
Age drop

"Non-users are older, proportionately less well-educated and have lower
incomes," said Dr Grant Blank, survey research fellow at the OII, who
oversaw the project.

Non-users, said Dr Blank, were those who did not go online via any means
- either phone or computer. The proportion of those falling into this
category grew as people aged, he said."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49607061


How many have children, grandchildren, neighbours, friends etc who
could assist if they tried?
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Old September 9th 19, 04:59 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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Default Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

On Monday, 9 September 2019 12:20:03 UTC+1, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:47:39 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

"Non-users are older, proportionately less well-educated and have lower
incomes," said Dr Grant Blank, survey research fellow at the OII, who
oversaw the project.

Non-users, said Dr Blank, were those who did not go online via any means
- either phone or computer. The proportion of those falling into this
category grew as people aged, he said."


Don't worry, the proportion of those falling into this category will
eventually reduce as they all die of old age.

In other words, it's a problem (if you call it a problem) that will
eventually solve itself long before any government does.

The real problem is not those who fail to understand the internet


I have some sympathy with those who [try but] fail to understand the internet - e.g. OAP's trying to claim universal credit, but very little with those who just refuse.

, but
a world which increasingly fails to accommodate them. The internet is
a wonderful thing to those who find it useful, but it is easy to
forget that not only the internet but the entire semiconductor
industry that makes it possible have only existed for less than one
human lifetime, so there are plenty of people still alive who can
remember a world that functioned pretty well without any of it.

Rod.


It was ever thus - factories, canals, trains, telegraph, phones, cars, planes, radio, TV...
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Old September 9th 19, 06:19 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom.mobile
Chris
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Default Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

Java Jive wrote:
"Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

Almost 20% of British people are not using the internet, a survey suggests.

The detailed in-home survey of almost 2,000 Britons found that 18%
described themselves as non-users.


I've had a bit of scan of the report and I don't see that number anywhere.
That sounds like a really high proportion.

I wonder if there is a number of people who don't understand what
non-internet usage means? Lack of internet usage is high in those with no
qualifications so it's possible they're watching catch-up on sky or playing
online Xbox games and not really realising it.

i don't have any evidence to support this, however.
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Old September 9th 19, 08:59 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom.mobile
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Default Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

On 09/09/2019 18:19, Chris wrote:
Java Jive wrote:
"Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

Almost 20% of British people are not using the internet, a survey suggests.

The detailed in-home survey of almost 2,000 Britons found that 18%
described themselves as non-users.


I've had a bit of scan of the report and I don't see that number anywhere.
That sounds like a really high proportion.

I wonder if there is a number of people who don't understand what
non-internet usage means? Lack of internet usage is high in those with no
qualifications so it's possible they're watching catch-up on sky or playing
online Xbox games and not really realising it.

i don't have any evidence to support this, however.


Whereas the BBC report explained ...

"""The figure of 18% is higher than other official measures of
non-users, he said, because of the way the OII sampled the UK population.

Figures gathered by the Office for National Statistics suggest about
7.4% of the population are non-users but this figure is drawn from data
gathered for its Labour Force Survey.

This, said Dr Blank, looked at people who were in work, or might be, and
excluded those who did not work, as well as other non-workers such as
people with long-term disabilities or residents of care homes.

By contrast, he said, the OII survey visited people in their homes and
gathered a more detailed view of Britons' online lives.

"Virtually everyone is online before age 50," Dr Blank told the BBC.

After that milestone, he said, there was a "sharp decline" in use of
about 2% a year."""
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Old September 10th 19, 08:08 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom.mobile
Chris
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Default Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

Java Jive wrote:
On 09/09/2019 18:19, Chris wrote:
Java Jive wrote:
"Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

Almost 20% of British people are not using the internet, a survey suggests.

The detailed in-home survey of almost 2,000 Britons found that 18%
described themselves as non-users.


I've had a bit of scan of the report and I don't see that number anywhere.
That sounds like a really high proportion.

I wonder if there is a number of people who don't understand what
non-internet usage means? Lack of internet usage is high in those with no
qualifications so it's possible they're watching catch-up on sky or playing
online Xbox games and not really realising it.

i don't have any evidence to support this, however.


Whereas the BBC report explained ...

"""The figure of 18% is higher than other official measures of
non-users, he said, because of the way the OII sampled the UK population.

Figures gathered by the Office for National Statistics suggest about
7.4% of the population are non-users but this figure is drawn from data
gathered for its Labour Force Survey.

This, said Dr Blank, looked at people who were in work, or might be, and
excluded those who did not work, as well as other non-workers such as
people with long-term disabilities or residents of care homes.

By contrast, he said, the OII survey visited people in their homes and
gathered a more detailed view of Britons' online lives.

"Virtually everyone is online before age 50," Dr Blank told the BBC.

After that milestone, he said, there was a "sharp decline" in use of
about 2% a year."""


Thanks. I can read.

The 18% is from the section on mobile access. People had 4 choices for how
they access the internet: computer (5%), mobile (15%), computer + mobile
(63%) and non-user (18%). No option for TV or console or any other
internet-enabled device.


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Old September 10th 19, 05:51 PM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

On 09/09/2019 16:52, Scott wrote:
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:47:39 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

"Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

Almost 20% of British people are not using the internet, a survey suggests.

The detailed in-home survey of almost 2,000 Britons found that 18%
described themselves as non-users.

The Oxford Internet Institute (OII), which carried out the research,
said people falling into the category tended to be older and poorer than
frequent net users.

The size of the group presented a "dilemma" for any government trying to
reach and support them, said the OII.
Age drop

"Non-users are older, proportionately less well-educated and have lower
incomes," said Dr Grant Blank, survey research fellow at the OII, who
oversaw the project.

Non-users, said Dr Blank, were those who did not go online via any means
- either phone or computer. The proportion of those falling into this
category grew as people aged, he said."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49607061


How many have children, grandchildren, neighbours, friends etc who
could assist if they tried?


These are the people more likely to fall for the telephone scams, like:-

'This is Microsoft Your IP address has been compromised', or
'There are unusual transactions on your bank account, so you
need to move your money to a safe account'

And now they will get full compo from the banks shareholders and
other savers, so I for one sincerely hope that this group *never*
get on the internet. As long as utilities etc carry on accepting
postal cheque payments then this group will be quite happy.

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Old September 10th 19, 06:50 PM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Almost one-fifth of Britons 'do not use internet'

On 10/09/2019 17:51, Andrew wrote:
On 09/09/2019 16:52, Scott wrote:


How many have children, grandchildren, neighbours, friends etc who
could assist if they tried?


These are the people more likely to fall for the telephone scams, like:-

'This is Microsoft Your IP address has been compromised', or
'There are unusual transactions on your bank account, so you
need to move your money to a safe account'


If they tried that with my mum (she's 92 and has never used any form of
modern technology beyond a VCR, and she's forgotten how to use that now)
she'd likely respond with "What's a Microsoft..?"

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