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![]() On 14/09/2020 13:04, AnthonyL wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 13:33:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 12/09/2020 13:30, AnthonyL wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:37:06 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Robert wrote: On 11/09/2020 16:43, Reentrant wrote: On 11/09/2020 16:09, David wrote: I'm looking for a backup SIM which will keep a phone going but not require a monthly top up. Ideally Vodaphone (to diversify networks) but retaining credit long term is more important. Cheers Dave R Giffgaff. You just have to make one chargeable call or text every 6 months to keep it "alive" and I think they warn you in good time before they close the account. Topup credits last indefinitely (ie top up, don't buy a monthly "goodybag"). It's ideal for low usage. Runs on the O2 network. Also Three's 321 tariff, topups do not run out. They also do a free 200MB per month data card. I think everyone requires occasional usage to keep the SIM active. Doesn't exist anymore. Really - where do you look to not see that? 3 certainly does a basic free sim that is payg Yes I know - I have several of both types. It wasn't clear what "Doesn't exist anymore" and it read as though the Data Rewards doesnt' exit when in fact it is the 321 that disappointing has disappeared. well my credit never runs out. I use the thing so little that I never convert it to a time expiring 'deal'. I have no idea what I have - just 3 payg is all I know -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14 |
#102
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![]() "Apd" wrote in message ... "Java Jive" wrote: On 13/09/2020 12:38, Apd wrote: "Java Jive" wrote: [...] for everyday life something that has a convenient range for everyday measurements is required [...] Which is why, for everyday visualisation, I prefer inches and feet rather than divisions of metres. Fine, if that's what you're used to, but the conversions are horrible, True. and you could just use m or cm as appropriate - a person's height is much easier to express in metres than feet and inches: 1.935m or 6'4"3/16? Sure, they are cumbersome for precise measurement. However, for general visualisation the small fractions aren't needed. An inch is about the length of a fingerbone and a foot the length of my forearm. Those human-related units are a convenient range and make it easy to describe and visualise human-scale height and length etc. in conversation. It depends which you regard as more important: human-sized units or a measurement system that makes for easier conversion between units of the same quantity (eg mm, cm, m, km) and for easy conversion between linear, volumetric and (for water) mass. It's not a clear-cut decision. I know my height and weight better in ft/in and lb/stone respectively than I do in metric. But if I have to measure anything, I always use metric in case I have to do unit conversion. I realised that imperial had utterly lost the plot when I discovered that the conversion factor between cubic inches and pints/gallons (at least for Uk as opposed to US) is not just an obscure number, but it's not even a f-ing integer (*). :-( I discovered that when I wanted estimate how heavy a hot water cylinder would be full of water, and I only had an imperial tape measure. pi-r-squared-l is easy enough - let pi be approximately 3 for a rough estimate to the nearest 10 kg: all I wanted to know was an order of magintude. Since neither I nor my dad knew how many cubic inches in a gallon (a gallon of water weighs 10 lb), we had to convert everything to metric, and then use the nice simple conversion 1000 cc water weighs 1 kg. We came to the conclusion that baulks of 2x4" timber *would* be strong enough. (*) It's 277.42. A nice "simple" conversion ;-) |
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![]() NY wrote: "Apd" wrote in message ... "Java Jive" wrote: On 13/09/2020 12:38, Apd wrote: "Java Jive" wrote: [...] for everyday life something that has a convenient range for everyday measurements is required [...] Which is why, for everyday visualisation, I prefer inches and feet rather than divisions of metres. Fine, if that's what you're used to, but the conversions are horrible, True. and you could just use m or cm as appropriate - a person's height is much easier to express in metres than feet and inches: 1.935m or 6'4"3/16? Sure, they are cumbersome for precise measurement. However, for general visualisation the small fractions aren't needed. An inch is about the length of a fingerbone and a foot the length of my forearm. Those human-related units are a convenient range and make it easy to describe and visualise human-scale height and length etc. in conversation. It depends which you regard as more important: human-sized units or a measurement system that makes for easier conversion between units of the same quantity (eg mm, cm, m, km) and for easy conversion between linear, volumetric and (for water) mass. It's not a clear-cut decision. I know my height and weight better in ft/in and lb/stone respectively than I do in metric. But if I have to measure anything, I always use metric in case I have to do unit conversion. I realised that imperial had utterly lost the plot when I discovered that the conversion factor between cubic inches and pints/gallons (at least for Uk as opposed to US) is not just an obscure number, but it's not even a f-ing integer (*). :-( I discovered that when I wanted estimate how heavy a hot water cylinder would be full of water, and I only had an imperial tape measure. pi-r-squared-l is easy enough - let pi be approximately 3 for a rough estimate to the nearest 10 kg: all I wanted to know was an order of magintude. Since neither I nor my dad knew how many cubic inches in a gallon (a gallon of water weighs 10 lb), we had to convert everything to metric, and then use the nice simple conversion 1000 cc water weighs 1 kg. We came to the conclusion that baulks of 2x4" timber *would* be strong enough. (*) It's 277.42. A nice "simple" conversion ;-) I keep hearing all of these arguments about how much more “human friendly” imperial units are, but I think it's really just down to what you are used to. I've never found anyone over in continental Europe struggle with estimating dimensions or weight in metric units, unless you are prepared to admit that they are more intelligent than we are ![]() It's a bit like school uniform, another of my pet hates. Every single teacher or head teacher I've spoken to thinks it is absolutely vital to the functioning of their school. Not one of them has ever managed to coherently explain how almost all of the rest of Europe manages without it when challenged. I do know a UK teacher of German origin - he thinks we are quite mad, and I agree with him. Our inability to even consider that we might be wrong and other countries might be doing things better is a bit if a British problem. |
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![]() The Natural Philosopher wrote: Also Three's 321 tariff, topups do not run out. They also do a free 200MB per month data card. I think everyone requires occasional usage to keep the SIM active. Doesn't exist anymore. Really - where do you look to not see that? 3 certainly does a basic free sim that is payg Yes I know - I have several of both types. It wasn't clear what "Doesn't exist anymore" and it read as though the Data Rewards doesnt' exit when in fact it is the 321 that disappointing has disappeared. well my credit never runs out. I use the thing so little that I never convert it to a time expiring 'deal'. I have no idea what I have - just 3 payg is all I know 3 still do a PAYG sim which the credit does not run out, but its now 10p min 10p text and 5p MB and also has this the the T&C "if within a 180 days you have not made any chargeable events or activities (for example, made telephone calls, sent text or photo messages, accessed content using the internet or any other Three Services for which a charge is made), we may also suspend our Services or disconnect you." - |
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![]() "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 14/09/2020 13:04, AnthonyL wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 13:33:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 12/09/2020 13:30, AnthonyL wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:37:06 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Robert wrote: On 11/09/2020 16:43, Reentrant wrote: On 11/09/2020 16:09, David wrote: I'm looking for a backup SIM which will keep a phone going but not require a monthly top up. Ideally Vodaphone (to diversify networks) but retaining credit long term is more important. Cheers Dave R Giffgaff. You just have to make one chargeable call or text every 6 months to keep it "alive" and I think they warn you in good time before they close the account. Topup credits last indefinitely (ie top up, don't buy a monthly "goodybag"). It's ideal for low usage. Runs on the O2 network. Also Three's 321 tariff, topups do not run out. They also do a free 200MB per month data card. I think everyone requires occasional usage to keep the SIM active. Doesn't exist anymore. Really - where do you look to not see that? 3 certainly does a basic free sim that is payg Yes I know - I have several of both types. It wasn't clear what "Doesn't exist anymore" and it read as though the Data Rewards doesnt' exit when in fact it is the 321 that disappointing has disappeared. well my credit never runs out. I use the thing so little that I never convert it to a time expiring 'deal'. but you do use it enough, so that it doen't expire for under-use unlike a phone kept in the glove box for emergencies that might not be used for 5 years (I think I've broken down 3 times in a life time) tim |
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![]() "Brian Gregory" wrote in message ... On 11/09/2020 16:46, Robert wrote: I think everyone requires occasional usage to keep the SIM active. Virgin certainly used not to. my ASDA mobile PAYG is still available even though the webpage pushes monthly bundles at you, they aren't compulsory and it works like a true PAYG if you don't use bundles |
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![]() "Jim GM4 DHJ ..." wrote in message ... On 12/09/2020 22:54, Brian Gregory wrote: On 11/09/2020 16:46, Robert wrote: I think everyone requires occasional usage to keep the SIM active. Virgin certainly used not to. My first ever mobile phone in 2002 was on Virgin and that SIM still works today even though it's only been topped up once since about 2008. It's in my emergency cheapo backup mobile phone which I only switch on very occasionally to see if it still works. who remembers vodaphone when you had to pay for line rental as well as calls ?...on payg it wasn't just Voda, it was everybody But it wasn't just "rental" they were extracting with their monthly dip into your PAYG credit it was to payback the subsidy on the phones, which doen't really cost 10 pounds |
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![]() "R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message ... On Sunday, 13 September 2020 09:25:39 UTC+1, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote: On 12/09/2020 22:54, Brian Gregory wrote: On 11/09/2020 16:46, Robert wrote: I think everyone requires occasional usage to keep the SIM active. Virgin certainly used not to. My first ever mobile phone in 2002 was on Virgin and that SIM still works today even though it's only been topped up once since about 2008. It's in my emergency cheapo backup mobile phone which I only switch on very occasionally to see if it still works. who remembers vodaphone when you had to pay for line rental as well as calls ?...on payg No, but in 1986 rental was 25pm, calls 25p/min (33p in London) with no included minutes. Oh and a pocketable phone cost 2k + VAT PAYG with a monthly service fee was normal in 96-97 (ish). PAYG didn't exist before 96 and by 99 contracts without monthly fees existed. 50ppm call costs were normal. But you couldn't roam with early PAYG, because the networks hadn't cracked real-time billing tim |
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![]() "Mark" wrote in message ... "David" wrote in message ... I'm looking for a backup SIM which will keep a phone going but not require a monthly top up. Ideally Vodaphone (to diversify networks) but retaining credit long term is more important. Cheers Dave R Asda is a cheap 321 payg sim like all the rest use once every 6 months to keep it alive ASDA Mobile currently uses the EE network to run it's service, but from early 2021, it'll use the Vodafone network. Oh balls, does that mean my "EE" locked iPhone will no longer work |
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![]() "Tweed" wrote in message ... David wrote: I'm looking for a backup SIM which will keep a phone going but not require a monthly top up. Ideally Vodaphone (to diversify networks) but retaining credit long term is more important. Cheers Dave R A standard Vodafone PAYG sim will keep its credit as long as you make a chargeable call, or top it up, every 180 days. but when I dumped it, Voda PAYG was 35 ppm (and no per second billing) |
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