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Extending FTTC from a master socket

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Old May 20th 18, 09:09 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 19/05/2018 20:56, Roderick Stewart wrote:
My guess is that the internet and phone equipment would probably end
up wherever the electricity meter is placed, as it would be tidiest to
keep all the gubbins together, except for anything that for some
technical reason has to go somewhere else, e.g. a wireless point.

That's exactly where he wants to put it

As for the ducting, it should be supplied by the builders with
drawstrings, so that the customers can install what they want. The
first computer network I ever saw - not that long ago - used a pair of
coaxial cables from a central server to each workstation, then there
was a system with a single coaxial cable looped round all the
workstations, then there was 10Mb/s Ethernet, then 100Mb/s, then
Gigabit, all within about half a human lifetime, so who knows what
will be next or how soon it will be here

.... and he's installing ducting too. I'll have to ask if his photos are
available for public viewing.

Old May 24th 18, 03:03 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 15/05/18 21:21, Vir Campestris wrote:
Colleague of mine has just bought his first house. The master socket is
in a stupid place - what's the best kind of cable to run from there to
where his router will be? He'd like to keep the 80Mbps he gets from the
cab across the road.

(Cable fatness is not an issue. The first job was to strip a load of
walls back to get rid of the asbestos-ridden plaster - done by pros in
suits. Complete re-wire is the next project)


I used Cat 5e twisted pair. One pair for the unfiltered feed for the
router, another pair for the filtered phone part. Router is the other
side of a door from the socket, only about 6ft of cable. The filtered
bit runs a bit further to the rack cabinet about 15ft away. All the
phones plug in via structured cabling with RJ45 to BT dongles.

Ria in Aberdeen

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Old May 24th 18, 06:32 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 20/05/18 13:05, Graham J wrote:
NY wrote:
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Later, the pipes chafe against sharp grains of sand and eventually
wear through, so there are more leaks several years down the line.

I don't know whether the fault lies with architects, builders, or
building control; but you would think that competence on the part of
any one of these entities would avoid such problems.

Yes, it's a matter of testing the system before committing to laying the
concrete floor, and surrounding the pipes in plastic sleeve, especially
at the point where it emerges from the floor to each radiator, to avoid
chafing. But that is never done...

But why lay the pipes in the concrete floor at all?* One way or another,
it is doomed to failure.* Much better to have them in service ducts
where they can be replaced.

unfortunately its quicker and cheaper, also they put them in the plaster
on the walls when places are done up, its all to do with saving money
and maximising profits when its done, none of these people can see more
than 10 minutes into the future in my experience.

The same would apply to electricity cables.* Proper ducting would mean
that re-wiring a house would not necessitate remedial work on the walls
and complete redecoration - having said that, it tends only to be houses
up to about 1960 that were built with rubber-insulated cables that need
re-wiring.* But proper ducting would allow for modification or
extension.* Houses are never built with enough power sockets anyway.

same as above, cost, time, profit, the people who design and build these
places never have to live in them

Old May 27th 18, 12:00 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 16/05/2018 11:24, NY wrote:
One of the problems is that Cat 5 is a lot thicker than standard
telephone extension wiring, so it is harder to tuck down the side of a

You only need one pair of cables, so just slit open some cat5 solid
and extract one pair.

You can always slide it inside some sheathing if you think it might
get damaged.

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